Please help identify this Heddon rod???

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (aparramoure) — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 05:30:32 PST

Richare, (reelill)
If you have the book from M.S. Restoration Handbook, look on pg. 102, It tells you the #8 was wrapped in "Rainbow varigated, and without a hookkeeper.

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (stickleyboy) — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 19:50:05 PST

Has everyone seen this other rainbow Heddon #13 on the bay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/HEDDON-13-BAMBOO-FLY-ROD-2-TIPS-EX_W0QQitemZ140364566166QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item20ae614e96

It has a more typical #13 grip and reel seat. Man, I hope whoever buys this rod will post pictures once these rainbow wraps have been restored

Jim

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (tedgolden) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:33:28 PST

Were the threads silk Drew?
I don't remember. But I do remember it was the worst meltdown I had ever seen. Other than the butt cap and a discrete #11 by the winding check the rod was unmarked. I did a lot of Heddons in various states of decomposition but this was the worst. This was before Michael's book and since no one had heard of a #11, we wondered if it was a Heddon rod.

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (JPMarci) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:08:42 PST

All

I would rule out a model #20 because when they were equipped with a bottle half wells (1928-1929) and a Heddon cap they also had soldered welts. The rod fits the second era (1930-32) model #14 criteria. Bottle half wells and rolled welts with the addition of the Heddon labelled cap and ring. I would say left over parts from 1930 when they changed the model #20 to a "hold tight" seat. Quite sure rewrapped.

All that being said and taking a look at the cork again (in original picture), I am assuming that is a bottle half wells. Maybe it is just a half wells. It is not as dramatic as the bottle half wells on my model 14. The grip on the pictured rod is a replacement but as close as I could get it without ruining the cork. The orginal grip was a mess. I did not take photos of the original. Also note the sock and tip protector are for the second era model #14. It is a great 9'6" 6 weight. Fairly slow but very easy to cast. Thank you Mr....

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (bobbeegee) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:33:44 PST

tedgolden wrote:
I once did a restoration of a Heddon #11 (curiously a private label rod) which was wrapped like that and had that type of reel seat with the embossed butt cap. It was truly butt ugly.

Were the threads silk Drew?

Bob

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (tedgolden) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:07:34 PST

I once did a restoration of a Heddon #11 (curiously a private label rod) which was wrapped like that and had that type of reel seat with the embossed butt cap. It was truly butt ugly.

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (bobbeegee) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:43:58 PST

Bob

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (reelill) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:27:19 PST

Bruce,
Well, thats what I get for shooting my mouth off.
I am wrong it sounds like concerning the #8s since more than one member has had one with those rainbow wraps. But I still don't feel that this rod could be a #8 with that early realseat and grip the #8s came later, but maybe that has allready been mentioned. So
Maybe it is an early 20 rewraped with later #8 Silk?

The #8 mentioned in the other post in this appraisel section,( I don't know how to add it in or I would) shows a two colored thread that I have seen more often on 8s.
Richard

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (BruceHandley) — Sat, 22 Mar 1913 16:58:46 PST

Richard, I have a mint, unfished Heddon #8 that is wrapped with rainbow thread (silk). I also have a #13 like the second one down in your post. I'd put up a picture of the #13, but when the Heddon collectors got a look a what I've done to it they would have me kicked off the board. I will say the #13 is a rather nice little trout rod 8 1/2', 3/2.
Bruce

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (reelill) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:29:53 PST

I agree with Bob.
If you look at the photos I posted earlier with all the differen't 13s you will see that same reel seat on the early 13 with the trout decal.
The Rainbow thread looks like the same Rainbow thread I have in my supplys and is a Nylon, not that all of them were, but all the 8s I have seen or owned did not have those wraps nor does any of the written references we have state that Rainbow was the thread used on the # 8s.
Richard

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (bobbeegee) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:59:50 PST

I, personally, have never seen that all metal slide band reel seat either.
However, that band was used in the First Era of Heddon rods and could have been used with the all metal.

See picture of a First Era Model 14 (from Mike Sinclair's "Heddon" book) with that exact same sliding band.

Again, this rod appears to have been rewrapped with nylon threads or something other than silk.

In my opinion, it is not a Model 8.

Bob

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (freestoner) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:53:49 PST

I own an 8' 1 3/4F Model 8 with variegated rainbow wraps.

Judging from the wraps, ferrules and the reel seat, I don't think the rod pictured at the top is a Model #20. And I've personally never before seen an all-metal sliding band reel seat like that one on any Heddon rod.

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsting) — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:04:39 PST

Appreciate all the help everyone, thanks again. Looks like most agree it is probably a 20. I got a good deal either way, but the fact it is a 20 is a huge +.

Any test (besides expertise) to tell whether the wraps are silk or nylon??? Brian

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (bobbeegee) — Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:41:32 PST

I agree with Michael and wrong66. The threads do not appear to be silk. If that is the case the rod has definitely been re-wrapped.

Sticking with my #20 assessment.

Bob

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (Flyman615) — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:22:56 PST

Far be it from me to comment on the idiosyncrasies of Heddon rods (and Michael definitely knows best), but my Dad's original 8 1/2-ft. Model 8 2F did indeed come with similar "rainbow" hued silk wraps.

But when I had the rod refurbished by Doug Merrick at Winston in the early 1970's, he replaced them with lovely translucent antique gold windings tipped dark brown. And as I've said before, it now looks far better than any Model 8 has a right to.

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (PaducahMichael) — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:07:03 PST

wrong66 wrote:
I'm going with a 1928-29 Heddon #20. Obviously stripped of markings & rewrapped, with a hook keeper added in the process. The windings on a #22 look nothing at all like the color scheme on yours. Nice find. Mark

We have a Winner! This is a first model #20. It's been refinished and the thread is not as original. And it appears to be nylon, too. This one deserves a full restoration. The ferrules are correct for this model and era. A VERY nice find. (I'll give you $20 for it and you can double your money!)

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (jz2) — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:23:27 PST

i'd say #8 - I think the rainbow wraps trump the lack of sdl pryalin seat.

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (nwdlj) — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:21:57 PST

what about the rolled ferrules rather than hand welted? ...my Classic Era #14's and above have hand welted ferrules even tho I have seen a late 1920's Model #120 that had bright chromed rolled ferrules...somewhere in the section pile, I have either a Granger or a Heddon with that wrap color scheme...I'll take a look and see if I can dredge it up...dj

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (bobbeegee) — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:30:42 PST

Art,

I believe the #8 was wrapped with whatever jasper thread Heddon could obtain at the time. Most usually red and white.
Of course you are correct as to the reel seat. The #8 was built with the marbleized tenite spacer, according to Michael Sinclair's book.

Bob

Re: Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (aparramoure) — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:29:20 PST

Didn't Heddon make the "Heddon Fly Rod" #8 and wrapped in "rainbow varigated" thread?
Course that was '51-'52 so the r/s would be wrong. (?)

Please help identify this Heddon rod???

feeds@kickapps.com (Bsting) — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 23:07:51 PST

Hi there. Here is a 8.5 ft Heddon rod with no markings. It has the red/green/yellow wraps which from M. Sinclair's book, could be either a 13 or 22, but the 22 only came in a 9 ft (tips are not broken) and the grip was straight. The 13 from 1932 is a decent choice, but this isnt a cigar grip; is it?? Again, has no markings, but has Heddon stamped on the cap, so definitely an early rod. I show the bag with the old wood block tip protector if that helps at all. Hideous (to me) wrappings, want to change them, but the purist in me holds me back. Any experts out there have any ideas on what rod this is? Thanks in advance.