2pc 5wt

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 01/19/21 10:45

Morning gentlemen. I’m in the market for a quick 2 pc 5wt taper. I haven’t made a 5wt at this time so I was wondering if anyone has any thoughts. Thank you and be safe Tebo

Canewrap · Post by **Canewrap** » 01/19/21 12:25

I would look at the Dickerson 7613. I prefer the 1970 taper out of the Lovely Reed. It is a fast rod (for bamboo) and has swelled butt, but is a sweet, sweet rod.

DonT · Post by **DonT** » 01/19/21 12:49

Or 8013

mer · Post by **mer** » 01/19/21 14:11

7613: if one looks closely there are 4 different "official" tapers for this rod. In fact, Bill Abrams (Housatonic Rods) used to make a 4 tipped version, kind of like a PHY Para 15 with a wet and dry tip. I had one for a bit, going by memory, the lightest tip was more of a fast 4wt for me, the heaviest a slow 6wt (again for me). But they would all work just fine with a 5wt. The Lovely Reed shows 2 different tips, other sources (Ray Gould, Maurer) you could come up with the other 2.

The 8013 is another good rod for a 5wt. Again, the Lovely Reed I think may have 2 different tapers for a tip.

You say "quick" so that rules out Paynes. There may be a Gillum or Garrison that is suitable.

mrampant · Post by **mrampant** » 01/19/21 20:10

I made the D7613 and also hollowed a version; that was an eyeopener to what cane could do. I use that one foe saltwater bream fishing an excellent point and shoot fast action rod. I will make another with bamboo ferrules for greater saltwater resistance.
Cheers Mark

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 01/22/21 07:57

Thank you Gentlemen on the advise. Great stuff as always. I’m on it. Thanks again. Tebo

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 02/12/21 15:03

Afternoon gentleman. Setting my forms up for the D7613 and was wondering about the swell. never done a swell before, and can it be done on a regular set form? If I was to do this without the swell what be the best approach. Thank you for your time and be safe Tebo

mer · Post by **mer** » 02/13/21 10:20

The swell. I've not made a rod, so I'm only going by what the books say/show, but there should be enough flexibility in a set of forms to set the swell. Short abrupt swells may be harder than longer more gradual ones.
Don't forget that you can slide the strips around on the forms too: that means you could set the swell in the very end of the butt form, slide the strip down, plane it, then slide back into position to do the rest of the taper.
Kind of like they did long time ago with "shooting boards" for the tapers.

Of course others may have better advice (jan96 posted some of his experiments with swells not long ago, I think he'd be a good person to ask).

mrampant · Post by **mrampant** » 02/13/21 20:06

I sort of did what mer says, although I made my forms from aluminium and they would flex a lot more than steel. I have used the "shooting board method to create an exaugurated swell.
I have found that any sudden increase in taper works as a flex stopper just the extent of the swell makes the stop really good or ok, the cork is an assistance with the swell.
Cheers,
Mark

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 02/14/21 07:36

This swell sits right between both adjustment screws on my forms, so 5 inches exactly. Planing a test strip as normal to see what the numbers say. Can that work like that or is my approach all wrong? The difference in numbers is .23. My though was to divide the numbers in half at the swell and hit the number in the center and work my way out in both directions. My appreciated advise as always . Tebo

mrampant · Post by **mrampant** » 02/16/21 19:59

I found the if you have 5 inch set of numbers and with a sudden increase over 1 set check the others a second time or even third. As I found on my forms that the sudden increase causes a bow in the form and may affect the other station points. They may require to be let out or tightened to allow the "normal " flow of the finished strip.
I hope this makes sense.
Cheers,
Mark

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 02/22/21 22:14

Thank you again for all the advise. I’ll give an update on how things turned out. Thank you all again. Tebo

sanderson · Post by **sanderson** » 02/24/21 21:16

I did the 7613 as my first rod, on regular planing form, and had no issues.

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 02/25/21 16:26

Ok, Follow up. I made both 7613 version, 1952 and 1970 with swells. over wrapped the swelled section as a precaution. glued up with Endfast 300. all came out ok. thank you gentlemen the suggestion, looking forward to fishing them. Tebo

mrampant · Post by **mrampant** » 02/25/21 16:56

Good to hear that it all came out fine. If you hollowed them, it is surprising how quick the rod becomes.
Cheers,
Mark

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 02/26/21 07:38

Hollowing is next on my list. Thanks again tebo

Teborods · Post by **Teborods** » 03/01/21 13:48

Afternoon gentlemen. I was wondering if there is any info on the guide spacing for the 7613 5wt and is it different from 1952 to the 1970? haven't located anything at this time. still looking. thank you Tebo

sanderson · Post by **sanderson** » 03/21/21 11:46

The numbers from the spacing charts in the Lovely Reed worked fine for my 7613, I've not seen posted any other numbers for this rod.

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