Mauer book Payne taper

[sanderson]

Does anyone know the model of the 7' 3/4 wt taper listed in the Mauer book?

[PT48]

Jack Howell also has a similar taper in his book - a 7' two piece 3/4 weight. I always assumed it to be a 97.

[mer]

I just looked at my copy of Maurer and it states "Payne 97, line weight 4" on pg 232, and "Payne 98 Line weight 4/5" on pg 234. I did not see any "7ft 3/4 wt" in my copy of Maurer.

I double checked in Gould's "Tips and Tapers" and there is agreement.

"The Lovely Reed" Payne 7ft 3/4 in my copy looks to be smaller in dimensions than the tapers for the Payne 97 (P97 tip 0.064 vs 0.061 3/4wt).

If you want the different sets of numbers from what I've seen in the books, let me know and I'll post them.

[sanderson]

my mistake, pg. 54 in the Howell book(as PT48 referred). Reason I ask,I have recently purchased a Payne 98 that I measured and it hit pretty close to those numbers. I've made a couple 98's from the Mauer book that he lists as a 4/5 wt. I wasn't aware this "lighter" 98 was made. Any insight?

[ibookje]

Why is everyone talking about ‘Mauer’ while it’s ‘MauRer’?....
I see it on websites as well.

[mer]

I've always seen the P97 listed as a 4wt, "slower action/more fully flexing". I have one by Mike Brooks and it is exactly that.

A P98 I've always seen listed as a "faster actioned 4wt or a 5wt". Maurer could have listed it as a 4/5 simply because "some folks like it better with a 4 others with a 5".

The 3/4wt from Howell is a lot skinner than a P97. Here are numbers for comparison (P97 and P98 from Ray Goulds book, simply because it saved me from flipping pages):

3/4wt P97 P98
.061 .064 .066
.067 .076 .082
.079 .098 .092
.092 .112 .110
.107 .126 .122
.122 .138 .137
.138 .150 .147
.144 .162 .159
.159 .174 .171
.162 .186 .194
.168 .190 .205
.180 .206 .220
.194 .220 .242
.209 .232 .261
.226 .244 .281
.237 .252 .312
.302 .280 .316
.310 .300 .316

[Caneghost]

I am no Payne expert but I have seen various originals listed as "L" or "H" models, light and heavy, though I can't say I have seen a 7 footer so listed. I have seen posters refer to the 97 as a 3 and as a 4, and the 98 as a 4 and as a 5. The only one I cast was a David Van Burgel build of the 98 which was a decided 5 and a great, crisp and strong casting rod.

George Maurer's own "48 Special" was described as a blend between "a seven foot Granger and a Payne taper". Is that perhaps in the book as well?

[sanderson]

the 98 I purchased has original tag, 7', 2 3/4 oz. 98, mics to the 3/4 numbers above, and female ferrule i.d. of .15. What I'm curious about, most 98 tapers are solid 4's and generally listed as 4/5, I've not seen the 98 taper as skinny as the one I've bought, and would like some background on whether there was another 98 taper model.

[mer]

I don't know for sure but I've never heard of a P98 with numbers as light as the ones in Howells book.
#7 Caneghost I've also seen some L and H variations with Payne rods that are roughly a line weight apart.

I think the 48 Special may be in the section talking about "blending" rods by graphing a bunch and averaging them.

[sanderson]

Here are some pics of the 98 I acquired. I just took station measurements today, I'm seeing numbers that more closely resemble Paynes 7'1" parabolic. Both tips are identical within a .001. tip .0575 5 .072 10 .093 15 .102 20 .123 25 .135 30 .144 35 .158 40 .167 45 .183 50 .198 55 .209 60 .223 65 .239 70 .257 75 .278 76 .285(above grip) 5" grip, 3.3"reel seat and cap. I'm at a loss, weight is 2 3/4 oz. and matches tag. I've never seen a 98 taper this light.

[Caneghost]

People will try to scam everything nowadays so I wonder if someone fudged the tag or even counterfeited one to be able to sell a "more desirable" model at some point in the past? The first "Granger" I bought was cut down from 9' to 8' and beautifully restored. The tube was cut down and the worn printing on the tube label was even fudged to complete the ruse. I was educated later on Granger models and specifications (thanks paducahmichael and carlsonrod). My seller was embarrassed and more than made good on that deal, but somewhere along the line someone went to a lot of trouble to pawn off a 9' rod as an 8 footer.

Rods can pass through a lot of different hands, and some collectors don't fish many of the rods they buy. Then again mistakes can happen even at classic rod shops. The guy who inked the tag could have simply written down the wrong model number. I have heard far too much praise for Jim Payne and his consistency so it would seem that mis-marking a tag would be much more likely than inadvertently changing a taper.