The Yellow Partridge

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The Yellow Partridge

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From Brook and River Trouting by Edmonds and Lee #14.

Hook. Alcocks 6812 wet size 14.
Silk Pearsalls gossamer yellow #4.
Body. Yellow silk.
Hackle. Gray Partridge slightly tinged with brown

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Nice fly but Yikes! That barb. I would first crush it, in my vice.

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beautiful

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klingon wrote:Nice fly but Yikes! That barb. I would first crush it, in my vice.
The problem with barbs like that on old hooks is they don't crush down but break, and if you're the least bit off when trying to crush them you end up with a lawn practice fly.

I like the fly and have tied softies with most of the Pearsall's silk threads and floss. I'm sure they'd all catch fish if I could get them to trout water.

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It would be a shame to crush the barb on a hook that is 75 years old |I

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upstate wrote:From Brook and River Trouting by Edmonds and Lee #14.

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In Matching the Hatch Schwiebert briefly mentioned the Little Yellow Cranefly and its tendency to emerge on wet days. He recommended the Partridge & Yellow when the Little Yellows were in evidence. It worked well for me in those situations, even in off color water. I usually used one tied with a fur thorax.

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Upstate, that fly made my day, what a beautiful fly you made there!

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jeffkn1 wrote:
upstate wrote:From Brook and River Trouting by Edmonds and Lee #14.

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In Matching the Hatch Schwiebert briefly mentioned the Little Yellow Cranefly and its tendency to emerge on wet days. He recommended the Partridge & Yellow when the Little Yellows were in evidence. It worked well for me in those situations, even in off color water. I usually used one tied with a fur thorax.
Thanks for the tip! Is a really nice tie for sure.

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upstate wrote:It would be a shame to crush the barb on a hook that is 75 years old
My thought too. The Allcock 6812 is a rare hook, with a beautiful bend. The barb may be big, but it's a reflection of British industrial design of the time--.

Great job, Tom.

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that is the most ridicules written statement i have read in a long time... test 1: hook in hand penetrate barbed hook into ones lip.. than extract . test 2: remove barb from hook repeat test 1. please respond as to which is less evasive.

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this is ridicules, so a size 6 stonefly nymph hook , barbed penetrates a 16 inch brown, in the lip.. causes, very close to the same amount of jaw damage as a barbless hook???? this has nothing to do with fish pain.. what about destruction of the fish"s jaw when extracting the hook.. i hope you don't use this excuse in a barbless hook fishing section....have we lost all common sense

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Fish have the same basic neuroanatomy as do we. The trigeminal nerve, one of the cranial nerves, is a mixed nerve being a sensorimotor nerve meaning that it controls muscular movement and responds to chemical, mechanical, and tissue damage conveying nociceptive stimuli to the brain via C fibers in both fish and mammals. The conclusion is that they do feel pain (OK their C fibers are activated as they are when the dentist cleans you teeth. Is that painful for us, sure. Is it painful for fish to have their C fibers activated? Sure why not). Saying that it is not the same as how we feel pain is an empty argument. Sure there may be difference but perhaps they feel pain more intensely.

https://academic.oup.com/chemse/article ... edFrom=PDF
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.10 ... -9655-1_14

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My response was to the comment that fish don't feel pain as we do. I sure philosophers have a term for assuming we know whether people or other organism experience. Fish do have a highly developed nervous system.

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Re: The Yellow Partridge

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A barbed hook causes more tissue damage when it is pulled back out.
So, if you are returning a fish to live another day, it will have less tissue trauma if you use a barbless hook.

As far as pain goes.....I have no idea. Fishing is a blood sport pure and simple. If you’re sticking a hook into a fishes head and worrying about the pain level, IMO, bird watching would be a more suitable past-time. And there’s nothing wrong with that.
A tenkara rod, like a pet monkey, seems like a good idea at first.

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