Rod ID

[tyghguy]

Hello. I had posted this rod as a Heddon trade rod but after a couple responses from members I think not. So anyone have a clue what it is. I found a very similar or maybe identical reel seat shown on an Armax rod on the forum. It is 8,'6" and has 16/64 and 10/64 ferrules. Thanks

[tyghguy]

Forgot to add this pic. Only writing on rod

[crowebeetle]

Heddon Bill Stanley Favorite #20

[tyghguy]

Thanks for the reply crowebeetle. That is what I thought all along. The reason for thinking trade rod is the reel seat is not marked. In Michael Sinclair's Heddon book it shows a "Favorite" model that was sold by J.S.Johnson.

[Woodlakejag]

I don’t think this is a Heddon rod

[BigPine]

Those don’t look like Heddon ferrules.

[redietz]

I don’t think this is a Heddon rod

I agree.

[tyghguy]

So does the hand writing on the rod offer a clue ? Maybe someone added it. It could be one of those rods we will never know who made it. Thanks for the replies.

[crowebeetle]

Looks like a heddon reel seahttps://antiquerodandreels.com/reelseats/646t

[Vaughanwilson3022]

Agree - don’t think is a Heddon.

[reelill]

Sorry, a little similar but not a Heddon reel seat. When I get home I can post photos of the heddon seets if you like?
Just trying to help
Richard

[tyghguy]

On post #219 of "Show us your Edwards family rods" their is a pic of an Armax rod with what appears to be this reel seat. Any chance of a Winchester connection to this rod ? Early trade rod ?

[steeliefool]

How long is the grip? How many incised lines on the ferrules? Hard to tell from the pics.
The check looks Monty or Union Hardware to me and def not Winchester.

[tyghguy]

The grip is 5" long

[steeliefool]

Here's the seat and check of an marked Armax I used to own.

[tyghguy]

I found an identical winding check on a Shakespeare rod on the auction site. So maybe a super early Shakespeare rod. In researching this I did see where Heddon did make some of the early Shakespeare models. Reelill had mentioned Shakespeare also so hopefully he will chime in. I do enjoy trying to figure out some of these rods. There are so many similarities between many of them.

[reelill]

This appears to be the winding check on your rod. I think that I have only seen this check with the incised line around it on these earlier shakespears. These are not the Heddon built rods that shakespeare sold. I think I have heard that these rods shown in the photos were made by Shakespeare but I am not as in the know with Shakespears. The reel seat I haven't seen on Shakespears. Could the Ferrules be Horrocks Ibbotson?
I guess the only thing I know about this rod is that it isn't a Heddon.
Richard





This reel seat slide band is similar but not exactly the same

[tyghguy]

Thanks Reelill for the pics. I keep thinking real early Shakespeare now. At least I have eliminated Heddon.

[tyghguy]

Dang post #7 under Heddon "Macys" New York shows clearly the exact same reel seat as on my rod. He also says he has 5 Heddon rods with this reel seat. I also found a pic with the exact same grip on a first era Heddon. Also the ferrules do look like the early ones. I am back to square one. Time to eat some turkey, go pheasant hunting, and revisit this another day! Happy Thanksgiving

[reelill]

Have a wonderful Thanksgiving guys