Not wound up at all. Trying to give some examples. Your intuition isn’t “there” on the physics so trying to help you understand. Hope the info helped. Of course the casting properties change a little when a rod is hollowed but it’s not like the rod explodes or changes to something radically different. The differences are subtle, and generally good. That wouldn’t be the case if the central fibers were really important. What matters most is the stiffness and other properties of the material in say the outer 1/3 of the fibers - there are differences in bamboo species and some of the rodmakers picked up on that - some more than others.moregrayling wrote: ↑03/07/24 00:44Hello John,BigTJ wrote: ↑03/06/24 17:00Fluted rods compensate for the lack of dams in two ways. First they typically aren’t as aggressively hollowed as scalloped rods they will split otherwise - and the lack of dams is made up for with thicker sections at the edge of the strips. And by the way at least a few Winstons have blown up over the years by cracking on the flats.
I gave you the straight answer there really isn’t anything more to it than that. I guess maybe I could have started by asking you this - if the material at the neutral axis mattered that much why can a rod be hollowed quite a lot and end up with very similar casting properties / stiffness profile to an equivalent solid rod despite losing 20-30% of its weight? Or why are beams in a building shaped like an I? Or bicycle frames made out of tubing? That should hopefully turn the light bulb on.
Cheers,
John
I didn't ask to wind you up, I was really curious. And again, I am not an engineer. So thank you for your comments.
But before I finally let go I'd like to comment, that rodmakers do claim a change in casting properties by hollowing, namely making the rods livelier and a bit faster besides lighter. And yes, I noted that you said "similar casting properties".
Like to fish - bamboo rods, both solid and hollow, break when slammed in car doors, or broke over one’s knee. That’s the equivalent situation to the level of required forces to break a bike frame & design considerations to keep them from buckling. So not really relevant to the conversation if fibers on the neutral axis of a fly rod matter much to a rod’s casting properties. The point is that you can make a bike frame out of a tube and it can be quite large diameter with thin walls. That wouldn’t be the case if strength at the neutral bending axis was required.
Cheers,
John