Any suggestions for a builder who makes an honest 4wt. in this configuration? I'd really like it to be as light as possible without being a noodle --
that's the rub, isn't it? Thanks!
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Who makes an 8.5' 3/2 hollow 4wt.?
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 tiptop |
Who makes an 8.5' 3/2 hollow 4wt.? |
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Posts: 400 09/07/2008 14:41 |
I cast an 8'6" hollow 4wt at the Metolius event that was made by Marty Karstetter that was incredible. Extremely smooth, fast to recover, medium-fast
action that could throw the leader off the tip yet still get out to 60' with no problems. The nicest long 4wt I've yet had in my hands. I can't
recall for certain if it was a 2pc or a 3pc, but I think it was 3.
Chris
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Posts: 288 09/07/2008 17:01 |
I cast Marty´s 8' 6'' 4wt too.
I must agree with Chris. Best 4wt in that length I´ve ever tried (on grass), but if my memory is in order it was a 2-piece. But I can be wrong. // Mats |
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Posts: 542 09/07/2008 17:20 |
Tiptop, I have to humbly/ curiously ask why a 4 weight? Why can't it be a 5 weight? I'm wondering how many grams difference there is between a 4 and 5
weight line and how many thousandths difference in the tips. Why not a 5 weight that casts well in close and further out and increase the leader length?
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Posts: 332 09/07/2008 17:48 |
Softstick -- I have several 8.5" 5 wts and you're right, they are more versatile. I have a old 8.5' Chubb (I think) that's a true 4 wt. and
I've really enjoyed fishing it and it's considerably lighter in hand than any of my 5wts. in this length. So I thought I'd see what's available
in a more modern version. I have heard that an 8.5' 3/2 Heddon 1 3/4 F might be something to look into -- I wonder if it would be true 4 wt. or more of a
4/5?
Tom
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Posts: 3461 09/07/2008 18:11 Local user |
I bet Sweetgrass(Glenn Brackett) has or can build 8' 6" 4 wt. 3/2. I once owned a Winston 8' 6" 2/2 4 wt. 3.5 oz. which Glenn has the taper
of and convert to a 3/2 config.
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softstick |
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Posts: 543 09/07/2008 18:54 |
Tom, in my own thinking I thought perhaps you were just maybe fascinated with the idea of a 4 weight. You know, like alot of us sometimes become with the
thought of just having to try something. For instance, a one piece light line rod, or a hex butt with a penta or quad tip, or a whatever.
As for eight and a half footers I agree with your thoughts on a Heddon 1 1/2F. Also perhaps a Gillum 8' 6" 3/2 #5 with scaled down tips or a Payne 204L. I just shipped a Gillum eight and a half 3/2 h.b. from A.J. for a customer. Real nice rod and I bet the tips could be shaved a hair but A.J. would know that better than I. Dan Left Coast Tackle |
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Posts: 333 09/07/2008 20:04 |
Dennis -- I thought about Sweetgrass and agree that they probably could do this. I also own a Jim Reams 8'3" 2/2 4/5wt. HB that weighs 3.1oz. and is
an incredible rod. Jim makes an 8'6" 2/2 4wt HB that would probably be great also but I'd really prefer a 3 pc. rod in this length for traveling
and I don't think he offers it.
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Posts: 78 09/08/2008 14:15 |
Chris Raine of Dunsmuir Rod Co. offers a 3 pc. 4 wt. 8'3" hollowbuilt rod he calls his Spring Creek Special - I wonder if he's played around with
lenghthening the taper? it'd be worth calling Chris.
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Posts: 308 09/08/2008 22:14 |
There's not a better 8.5' 4wt than a hollow-built James Reams rod. You wont be disappointed!
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Posts: 200 09/08/2008 23:18 |
Take the advice that others have offered and call Jim Reams. His specialty is longer, hollowbuilts for technical conditions. He also happens to be a wonderful gentleman with which to work. He offers a 8'3" 4wt in 3/2 and 8'6" 4wt in 2/2 on his site- I will bet he can accommodate you.
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Posts: 336 09/09/2008 10:26 |
I actually own an 8'3" 2/2 Reams rod that is a 4/5wt -- a tad heavier than his normal 4wt. in this length. I know he offers an 8.5 2/2 4wt. and
I'm sure it's a super rod but I really want a 3 piece rod in that length. I know he has performance reasons for making it 2 piece. I'm going out to
visit my son in CA in a couple weeks and will be fishing for a few days in north CA and I talked to Jim a few weeks ago about stopping by so I'll talk to
him about it.
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tbc1415 |
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Posts: 134 09/09/2008 11:23 |
ArcticCane wrote: Another vote for Marty's #4. I completely agree with everything Chris and Mats have said about it. It was one of the real standout tapers that I cast at the Metolious gathering. My own terrible memory tells me it was a 3pc. TC |
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Posts: 337 09/09/2008 12:53 |
tbc -- I gave Marty a call the other night and the rod you're remembering is/was an 8'3" 2/2 4wt. He wasn't too excited about an 8.5' 3/2
4wt. He seems like a good guy. How are the fit & finish of his rods? He told me they were not "fancy" but just wondering if the finish is well
done, etc. You can yuku message me if you want. Tom
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ArcticCane |
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Posts: 401 09/09/2008 15:43 |
Thanks for the refresher. Looks like Mats drank the least while in Oregon.
Both of the rods Marty had (the other was a stout 6wt) were simple and understated in appearance, but very well finished with tight clean wraps, nice varnish and a pleasant medium brown tone. I saw nothing at all that would cause me complaint. Then again, I didn't even remember if it was a 2pc or 3pc... 
Chris
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Posts: 65 09/09/2008 17:05 |
When I read the thread title the first name that came to my mind was Chris Raine ~~ and I saw he was mentioned in the thread. Coincidence? I think not.
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Posts: 135 09/10/2008 00:47 |
I reviewed my notes from the Metolius.
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Posts: 357 09/11/2008 18:56 |
I have a couple of rods due in around Christmas that you may be interested in. One is an 8'6" 5wt hollow-built by Marty Karstetter that is similar to
his 8' 3" 4wt rod in action and design. It is a 2-piece rod, though, and I believe Marty prefers building 2-piece rods. Perhaps he would consider a
3-piece version.....
The other is an 8'4" 4wt, also radically hollow-built, by Erik Peterson. While Erik doesn't currently offer a 3-piece version of this rod, I know he likes to experiment a bit and might be tempted to give it a go. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he's already playing around with it as you read this. Both these rods are amazing casters.... |
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Posts: 208 09/12/2008 10:27 |
Tiptop, I own a Heddon 50 in the 8'6" - 1 3/4 Ferrule - Definitely a 4wt and the action is on the slow side of medium. A very smooth rod. FWIW,
I've cast two of Jim Reams' 8' 3" 2/2 4wt rods. His personal 9942 which is, IMO, a stiffer dry fly action which I might prefer with a DT5
which I think is the model you own. I also cast the 9943 which I thought is a bit more of a medium/fast action and quite smooth and he also makes this in a 3
piece which I think would be an excellent all around 4wt.
You might also consider one of AJ Thramer's hollowbuilt Payne tapers. If anyone is an expert on 3 piece rods it's Thramer. And your wait time would be comparitively short. I could be wrong on this but IIRC Jeff Wagner also makes a longer 4wt. rod.
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Posts: 342 09/13/2008 06:46 |
Greg -- I think you're right about my rod being the 99-42. Jim does offer a 3/2 in the 8'3" length but not in 8'6" -- at least on his
website. I also own AJ's 8.5' 3/2 HB like a Payne 204 which is a 5/6 wt. and it's a wonderful rod -- classic Payne looks, wonderful taper, light
weight, great price. He makes the same rod in an L version which I think is more of a 5 wt. but never have cast it and don't know how it would be with a 4.
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