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suprabones

Dia. of rod wrong?

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03/12/2009 15:29

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Hello all,

I recently finished planing down a 2 strip quad of a Payne Banty, I used the .95 factor for conversion from hex to quad, on the 0 dimension of the taper, they call for a .052 on hex, after the conversion it is .048, that means I planed each strip down to .024. I have never down a tip top this small, it seems almost wrong, anyone think that it is too small? I am unsure if the Dia. of the tip top is going to play into a choice for a new line weight? I would hate to snap the tip off because its to weak. Any ideas or comments would be helpfull.

Thanks, Matt.

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Blue Quill

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03/12/2009 21:56

Hi Matt,

.048 tips are too light in my opinion; for perspective I have a box of round wooden toothpicks in my shop that measure .050 diameter.

Watching people fish ultra-fine tip rods is like watching someone trying to cross a cow field in wingtips. Even .052 is too weak in my opinion ( a few tapers by Leonard and others call for .046 tips, which sounds impressive until you try to find an original that hasn't been repaired.

For practicality as a fishing tool my personal cut-off point for tip dimension is .062 min. I generally recalculate if necessary to keep tip dimensions around .068 minimum for 4wt's and heavier, with .070 being more common. For three weights I keep the dimension .062 min. and compensate if necessary with taper design.

Double check that taper though; all the 4'-4" Payne Banty tapers I had seen had relatively heavy tips for a short rod (some.070, some as much as .076), and were designed for 4wt lines.

BTW if you are looking for a great short rod that isn't a toy, I heartily reccomend a 6'-3" PHY Midge (4wt) or an Orvis 5'-0" Mitey Mite (4/5 wt) (Note: I prefer the midge hands down).

Chuck

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Joel Anderson

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03/13/2009 12:30

Blue Quill,

I enjoyed your post and concur with your thoughts on ultrafine tips. I get nervous going below 0.060" and really don't see any need to do so. I'd be afraid to snap a tip during glueup. Having just completed a Young Midge copy (but not, as of yet, fished), it was also to see your comments on that rod.

joel

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suprabones

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03/13/2009 13:50

Here is the post I got my #'s from for the Payne Banty,

Here's the Payne Banty as supplied by Hal Bacon from the original beveler setup, converted to 5" stations for your typical Garrison style forms. There's a light and a heavy version - the original beveler setup made an over long section that could then by cut to make either a 4 or a 5 weight rod. There's a medium version I worked out as well, that in theory would be a 4/5. I can post that if anyone's interested. I have yet to build one of these, but the original post from Hal mentioned that it was good in close, maybe 30', but no distance rod.

Both rods are 4'4"

The light version:

Point (Inches)	Dimension (Inches)	Stress
0	0.052	-
5	0.078	139040
10	0.088	200642
15	0.110	160293
20	0.124	156120
25	0.140	142639
30	0.152	146489
35	0.168	138174
40	0.186	126115
45	0.212	103564
50	0.228	101354

Ferrule 1

Size 9/64
Rod is 9.11/64 (0.142 Inches) at 26.00 in from tip

The heavy version:

Point (Inches)	Dimension (Inches)	Stress
0	0.066	-
5	0.080	149554
10	0.098	168349
15	0.114	166810
20	0.132	149675
25	0.146	145140
30	0.158	149406
35	0.176	136776
40	0.196	122042
45	0.228	93886
50	0.228	104725

Ferrule 1

Size 9/64
Rod is 9.34/64 (0.146 Inches) at 26.00 in from tip

Well, if anyone has a different taper for it, please let me know

. I ended up tapering the tip up to .058

-Matt.

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