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Posts: 1635 09/05/2009 17:43	Tags : None i'm wondering if a 3 3/4 st george would work for a spey reel , big enough to hold say 150 to 200 yards of backing plus a running line & head & tip , or would a 3 1/2 hardy wide drum do the trick better, i'd like a reel to have a round line guide , the rod i'm going to get built is a 12 ft for a 5 & 6 wt , anyone use a st george for a spey reel , i don't want to end up buying a couple reels to get the one that would be better , opinions please Rich For vintage fly reels & bamboo rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river , i have a special for our bamboo forum members www.bowriveradventures.com
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Silver Doctor		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 78 09/05/2009 17:56	It depends what line you want to put one it. for example a nice shooting head like a Vision Ace 5/6 with running line would be great for a 3 3/4 St. George, I've lined that combo. Once you get into the 7/8 lines or Skaget lines they are much thicker and take up more space. I would lean toward the wide drum 3 1/2. I'm assuming you're putting on a two hander from our chat the other day. You also want it to balance the rod. I'm sure others will have good opinions and perhaps suggestions on this. Often I have been exhausted on trout streams, uncomfortable, wet, cold, briar scarred, sunburned, mosquito bitten, but never, with a fly rod in my hand have I been in a place that was less than beautiful.
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Posts: 7 09/05/2009 19:15	It's more a question of what line you're going to put on it rather than the rod. I have 3-5/8 Perfect that I have used for my 6wt 12' rod and it holds a Skagit style sink tip line with plenty of backing. The skagit line I use is 15' of 12wt belly and 15' of 10wt sink tip, with a running line dia. of .028 - .030. However, if you are going to use a full floating line I would go with the wide drum reel. I have my floating line, (TT7/8 Wulff) on a different reel that is a bit wider.
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LeeB		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 115 09/05/2009 21:45	Rich; I have a full S.A Mastery WF8F Steelhead line + 200 yds. 20# Dacron on my 3 1/2" Wide Drum. It has a lot more capacity than the 3 3/4" St. George, and IMO will balance the double handed rod much better. Lee
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Posts: 3346 09/05/2009 21:56 Admin	Rich, be careful. One-handed rod weights are quite different that two-handed. Genuine Spey rod lines are thicker than comparable trout lines. An 8-wt trout line is far smaller than an 8-wt floating Spey line. I've rarely found a diameter less than 4" that works well w/ a 7-8-wt Spey line. The reel also needs to be heavy enough to balnce the rod. For balancing see, http://thespeycompany.blogspot.com/search/label/Balancing%20Your%20Salmon%2FSpey%20Rod Pat
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Silver Doctor	St. George	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 80 09/06/2009 00:11	Where the St. George really shines is with my Meiser Highlander 4/6, it holds a 380 grain Vision ace shooting head with lots of running line. Again it depends on the line you will use. For a heavier grain line say moving to a 450 grain I would go with the large arbor hardy. Often I have been exhausted on trout streams, uncomfortable, wet, cold, briar scarred, sunburned, mosquito bitten, but never, with a fly rod in my hand have I been in a place that was less than beautiful. Last Edited By: Silver Doctor 09/06/2009 13:00. Edited 1 time.
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Posts: 738 09/06/2009 01:50	For a floating shooting head (Scandinavian), the St.George should be fine. With a Skagit head for sink tips it will be a tighter fit because the Skagit lines are fatter and heavier, as a rule. You can probably fit the Skagit line if you minimize the length of shooting line or use mono instead of fly line- type shooting line.. 70' of shooting line is plenty for a 100' cast. Finally, 150 yds. is normally plenty of backing for steelhead & salmon. A 3 1/2" Perfect will hold more line than you will need for a 5/6 rod. A St. John is probably just the right capacity, but of course doesn't have the line guide. As mentioned above, spey lines are on a completely different system from single hand lines. A spey shooting head suitable for a 5 wt two-hander will weigh more than 300 grains in 30', which by the single hand system would be a 10 or 11 wt. line.
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bow river		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1636 09/06/2009 02:37	great opinions and advice well i have enough good 3 screw st georges in the 3 3/8 size , some with the built up drums , they won't work , but i have the reg spool also and i'll hold off now till i see if it will work , i'm going to visit the silver doctor as he has the same st george reel and his spey rod is a 4 to 6 wt and i'll decide after seeing his outfit , thats the way to go , is use the smaller running line , i also have 2 hardys in the 3 1/4 wide drum , older leaded reels, just no line guide on them , so maybe i'll sell them 2 and try to find a 3 1/2 with a line guide , i don't want to take a chance and use my 3 1/4 special perfect as it's worth just to much to be laying on the ground , need a reel that i won't cry if it gets busted , steelheading is a little tough on gear Rich For vintage fly reels & bamboo rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river , i have a special for our bamboo forum members www.bowriveradventures.com
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Spey Salar		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35 09/10/2009 20:05	Count me in with the 3 1/2" wide Perfect group. While too small for a 7/8 spey rod, it would be "perfect" for the 5/6 you contemplate, especially if you use scandi shooting heads. I personally don't think the St. George is the way to go on a spey rod--the extra weight of the Perfect will be valued in balancing the rod correctly. On a rod larger than the one you are getting, I'd move up to the 3 3/4" Perfect. They will take up to an 8/9/10 windcutter no problem.
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steel2afly		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 24 09/11/2009 02:04	Hey Rich. Another to consider would be a 3 7/8 perfect. I find they balance lighter speys and switch rods very nicely . They also have the capacity for backing and shooting head setups for the lighter speys. Of course if you need a little extra room you could always look for a Taupo! Heres a picture of my Meiser 12' 6" 4/5/6 with a 3 7/8". Match made in heaven. Good luck and look forward to seeing what you end up with. Kevin
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BigTJ		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 847 09/11/2009 14:51	I use a Sage 509 as my smallest spey reel which is essentially a St. John (3 7/8 I think), I use it on a 5/6 troutspey, so a 3.75 st george or 3.5 perfect wide might work on a troutspey depending on how long and fat your line is. For a "true" spey reel a 3 3/4 W perfect balances 7/8 lines, 4" W 9/10. So the reels you are talking about are too small IMO except for the lightrt trout speys. PS I landed a 16 lb steelhead on the Bulkley a couple years back on the 509 with that rod with a floating line and green butt skunk, it was pretty fun, you don't need a super-heavy 2-hander if you are throwing classic wets or dries. Last Edited By: BigTJ 09/11/2009 14:55. Edited 2 times.
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bow river		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1642 09/12/2009 01:21	steel2afly kevin that rod is one i would like to have , silver doctor has that rod and in a kit , he finished it out himself , great looking rod , did you buy that rod new or used , i'm looking for a good trout spey rod of his i have a 3 1/4 perfect , also a 3 1/2 maybe , and a good line on a 3 3/4 with lineguide , just waiting to see what i nneed for my rod Rich For vintage fly reels & bamboo rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river , i have a special for our bamboo forum members www.bowriveradventures.com
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Northumberland		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 46 09/12/2009 02:07	I have been following this thread and am baffled.[not difficult!]. I have never heard of spey rods in such light weights . I have a 13' that is 9# and a 15' that is 11#. You chaps are talking 5/6 #. Am I missing something here? Rich. How far away are you from some steelhead fishing? regards,steve.
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steel2afly		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 25 09/12/2009 03:21	Yeah Silver Doctor did a fine job on his build. The 4/5/6 is one fine rod. I ordered this one new. I have several Meisers, some I built myself and others I let Meiser do his thing. If your interested in a Meiser you should by all means give him a call. Let him know what your going to be targeting and the river situations you will be wanting to use it for and he will give you his thoughts on what rod(s) will fit the bill and give you many line options for said rod also. Hes a great guy to talk rods and fishing with. Kevin
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FWdB		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 542 09/12/2009 05:52	Northumberland wrote: I have been following this thread and am baffled.[not difficult!]. I have never heard of spey rods in such light weights . I have a 13' that is 9# and a 15' that is 11#. You chaps are talking 5/6 #. Am I missing something here? If you think of speycasting as a casting style, and spey rods as rods suitable for that casting style, in theory you can have a spey rod for any line weight. When I heard of 4wt spey rods, at first I was just as baffled as you because I (also) associated "spey" with big sea trout and salmon, and the big rods, reels and lines needed to catch them. But if you think of it as just a casting style, why not, might be fun! Wilfred de Bruijn The Lowlands Of Holland
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bow river		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1643 09/12/2009 08:30	northumberland steve i'm a 12 hrs drive to some of the best steelheading in the world , my last bow river float trip is on the 25 sept , after leaving that night and be on the water at sunrise for a week of steelhead fishing , i'm kinda new to this spey casting and it's a whole lota fun if you just like casting even , i don't want a big rod for what i fish , but they makem now in 12 ft for trout rods , good for throwing streamer in the winter when the ice banks behind me , i know a few guys who use them alot on the bow for trout fishing , i think a 6 wt would even handle a mid size steelhead if you can fight a fish at all , heck i caught some trout on a bill taylor 7'6 quad that were 23' inch's and it was a fight but i made out ok with it , little undergun i was yet i just took my time and let the rod do all the work , these 12 ft trout spey rods should be a blast with a steelhead on it , i think a good reel is the ticket Rich For vintage fly reels & bamboo rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river , i have a special for our bamboo forum members www.bowriveradventures.com
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Northumberland		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 47 09/12/2009 09:36	12 hours to some of the best steelhead fishing you say? Hmmmm! That could be the 2011 fishing trip sorted then! These short spey rods sound like fun, must look into it.
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JR SPEY		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 252 09/12/2009 12:41	The other assumption is that speycasting is done with both hands on the rod. While that is normally the case, speycasting actually is just a means of casting that doesn't require a backcast. Therefore it can be done with any rod of any length. Single-handed speycasting is becoming more and more popular because many trout streams have more of an issue with backcast room than the average steelhead or Atlantic salmon river. Whatever cast that can be done with two hands on the rod can also be done, with some practice, with just the one hand on a single-handed rod or a switch rod.
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Northumberland		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 49 09/12/2009 16:10	I will give that a try. In a situation like you describe I usually roll cast. Spey casting single handed would be quite similar.
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JR SPEY		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 253 09/12/2009 16:50	Northumberland wrote: I will give that a try. In a situation like you describe I usually roll cast. Spey casting single handed would be quite similar. The dirty little secret is that speycasting is nothing more than learning to do dynamic roll casts that feature a significant change of direction. I'm sure a lot of guys already do many of these casts with single-handed rods and just never realized that what they had developed on their own to solve a casting dilemma is what others refer to a single-handed speycasting.
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Posts: 742 09/12/2009 22:10	Northumberland wrote: I have been following this thread and am baffled.[not difficult!]. I have never heard of spey rods in such light weights . I have a 13' that is 9# and a 15' that is 11#. You chaps are talking 5/6 #. Am I missing something here? Spey line standards go down to 6 wt., but some makers of rods and lines are going considerably lighter. Gary Anderson of Anderson Custom Rods makes some wonderful rods in the 3, 4 and 5 wt. sizes and Bob Meiser also makes some very light rods. Spey lines by Rio and CND go down to 4/5 wt. and shooting heads go even lighter. Great rods for trout fishing as well as light steelhead and Atlantic salmon.
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