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Posts: 219 10/01/2009 02:35	Tags : None Whats the advantage of a one piece rod over a two or three piece Bamboo Fly rod. Last Edited By: pcg 10/04/2009 20:42. Edited 1 time.
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Alaric11		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 83 10/01/2009 06:59	Speculating here, and I'm not sure "advantage" is such a great way to think about it---perhaps there are simply some differences beyond the number of pieces. (1) No ferrule(s) mucking up the action---all bamboo---hence no need to account for, calculate, work around the "dead spot" of the ferrule (which I suppose slows the action a tad). Here, one can see the "advantage" of a 2 to a 3 piece rod. Of course, there are those bulging, odd looking bamboo ferrules and I have no idea what they achieve (besides eccentricity/ ugliness). (2) Cheaper (from the prices I've seen on them) ---just as a 2 is cheaper than a 3 piece. (3) Novelty---not too common, not too many out there---like Penta rods. I suppose to some novelty is a "disadvantage." One obvious disadvantage is portability---one long a** tube. Probably a good rod to be kept in the corner at some streamside cabin.
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gmflyfish	One Piece Rods	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1221 10/01/2009 07:31	1. Must have a truck or a convertible to transport 2. Superb Action and as previously mentioned no dead spots 3. They are a novelty - in six and four sided 4. They handle fish (IMHO) better than two and three piece rods(I have some of each) 5. They are beautiful 6. Love or hate em (there are two schools of thought) 7. Takes a special rod builder to make them Just a few of my thoughts Gregg
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MontyMontana	I agree	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 518 10/01/2009 11:34	If you travel by Prosche or BMW to fishing sites ...they, 1-piece rods are a complete waste of time. If on the other hand you have available a pickup or SUV with a luggage rack then 1-piece are the cat's meow. I have 5 from 6' to 8 1/2' in 4 and 6 sided configurations....3 thru 6 wt and I fish them 90% of the time. IMHO...the epitome of bamboo smoothness, the reason I fish bamoo in the first place. and there are some very talented rod makers who build them today, gmflyfish and I happen to have the same affliction, rods built and designed by Al Talbot...priceless. Monty Your Signature ... I fish via our criminal justice system..."Catch and release"
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WatercolorMan		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1465 10/01/2009 11:48	A little lighter in weight that the traditional designs.
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Sal Fontinalis		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 595 10/01/2009 12:25	I've cast several and currently own a one piece 8' 3wt T&T. As others have mentioned, their actions are very unique and very nice. I remeber a day on the Little Lehigh casting two rods from Tom Smithwick. They were the same rod/taper with the exception that one was a two piece and the other was a one piece. After casting them side by side, many of us thought the one piece rod felt "weird." We had become so accustom to ferrules and their impact on rod action and didn't realize it. In fact, there is nothing weird at all about the action of one piece rods. As others have said, it is the way a bamboo rod should feel. Our impressions have been ruined by the use of ferrules for portability and convenience. I rarely hear of makers using ferrules to improve or create a specific action. If portability is not an issue, you owe it to yourself to own a one piece rod.
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Alaric11		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 84 10/01/2009 14:03	Robert Gorman makes some 1 pc "brush" rods. I wouldn't mind having one. if you travel by Prosche or BMW to fishing sites .. I'm guessing he meant "Porsche". Nope, SUV with 126,000 miles on it or a Prius. I've found both the rich and the poor, the blue collar and the white collar, the Porsche driving and the 'salt of the earth' ---to be capable of being a-holes or nice, ignorant or wise. I tend to avoid such stereotypes. I must say that I'm a bit of a pessimist/ curmudgeon in that humanity usually disappoints. The Emperor Marcus Aurelius addressed this issue well, IMO. When you wake up in the morning, tell yourself: The people I deal with today will be meddling, ungrateful, arrogant, dishonest, jealous, and surly. They are like this because they cannot tell good from evil. But I have seen the beauty of the good and the ugliness of evil, and have recognized that the wrongdoer has a nature related to my own---not of the same blood or birth, but the same mind, and possessing a share of the divine. And so none of them can hurt me. No one can implicate me in ugliness. Nor can I feel angry at my relative, or hate him. We were born to work together . . . . To feel anger at someone, to turn your back on him: these are obstructions. Of the two greatest Stoic philosophers the greatest was a slave, his brightest pupil---emperor of the "world". One would likely drive a Porsche today and the other be hitchhiking---such distinctions tell us little about the man and are "obstructions" to right living and the truth.
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nwdlj	spliced joints	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 101 10/01/2009 21:26	there is always the spliced joint that eliminates the ferrules and allows you to build a two piece...the taping/wrapping of the joint makes for basically a wood/wood connection which is like a scarf...dj
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cdmoore	I can fit an 8+ footer...	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3049 10/02/2009 12:23 Moderator	...in my Honda Element, no problem. But, I'll also second the vote for a splice joint rod. C "If you finish in 7 days, I'll pay you for 10. If you finish in 10 days, I'll pay you for 7." ~Ballykissangel
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16 pmd		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 753 10/02/2009 15:50	Had an interesting discussion with a rodmaker about whether a one-piece rod ought to be more expensive or less than a comparable two-piece. The work is more demanding in many respects, but there is no need to ferrule anything and there is obviously no extra tip. We didn't reach any firm conclusions about which should be more costly from the maker's perspective of the work and cost involved in making the rod. Of course the casting action, which we both agreed would be better without a ferrule, could make the one-piece more desireable and valuable (than a comparable 2/1 rod) from the buyer's point of view. Seems to me that the best of both worlds might be the spliced joint rod that has the portability and extra tip of the 2 piece rod and also the uninterrupted action and lightness of a one-piecer. I've cast a few Brandins as well as some Bob Clay spey rods with spliced joints and can notice a definite benefit to the actions. Though taping is a bit of a pain in the butt, I think it's worth it. The spey rod guys do it on their graphites as a matter of routine. I hope we see more makers trying the spliced joint in the future.
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Booman2		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 593 10/03/2009 00:37	I think they cast better than anything else, for the previously stated reasons. As far as cost goes, I opine that they should sell for more than a comparable multi-piece rod. When Leonard made 8 foot and 8'6" one piece rods in the 1950's, they listed for about 1/3 more than their high end two piece models. A couple reasons come to mind, they require a long oven and they need a long tube. The last 8' aluminum tubes that Ed Hartzell made for me for my Howells/Talbot blanks cost over $100 in materials - and that was 5 years ago.
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WatercolorMan		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1470 10/03/2009 12:52	The Orvis one piece rod always held there value real well in the resale market. I just visited a builders web page and noticed that he priced his one piece rods $400 under his standard 2/2. I't seems to me that most builders would price the one pc. standard finish rod under the 2/1 then the 2/2 and last and priced highest the 3/2.
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tim simbari		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 422 10/03/2009 18:13	One piece rods of a certain type can be a work of art, as to craftmanship, as in building one with no splices anywhere in the cane any no major water/insect marks. What is the longest one anybody has seen like this? Last Edited By: tim simbari 10/04/2009 22:17. Edited 1 time.
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pcg		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3424 10/03/2009 21:34 Admin	At the Catskills Gathering last month I cast an 8-footer and (hold your breath) a 9-footer won the casting competition--both rods were built by the amazing Tim Abbott. Smooth, light & powerful. These beauties ain't novelties. The only imaginable downside is transporting them. But my eyes were opened. Both are casting machines and works of art. One of us is crazy in fishing and forget time. And the other take part only in the party at night. --Yoshikazu Fujioka Last Edited By: pcg 10/04/2009 20:21. Edited 1 time.
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wefishcane		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 776 10/04/2009 07:21	I have a T&T one piece 7 foot four weight Sans Pareil that is an exceptional rod, both in action and beauty. It would take nothing short of a Payne for me to part with it. Jim
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gmflyfish	One Piece Rods	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1222 10/04/2009 10:02	I have two 8' 5 wt Al Talbot Quads - 8 foot 4 wt six sided Al Talbot - nice rods and that is why you need a truck or a convertible - also they fit in Honda Accord with the seat down.
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dqatar	One peice Rod	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 220 10/04/2009 10:49	nwdlj wrote: there is always the spliced joint that eliminates the ferrules and allows you to build a two piece...the taping/wrapping of the joint makes for basically a wood/wood connection which is like a scarf...dj your saying a Spliced joint has the some action as a one peice fly rod. WHOS making a Spliced Joint rod besides Brandin.
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16 pmd		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 757 10/04/2009 22:49	Bob Clay of Kispiox BC (Riverwatch Rods) makes spliced joint spey rods and also makes trout rods, but I don't know whether he's made any spliced joint trout rods. His rods are excellent and I be he'd build a spliced joint trout rod. There must be others in the U. S. , but I haven't heard about them.
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Blitzen		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 874 10/05/2009 17:04	Chris Obuchowski of Portland, Oregon has made splice joint rods. His joints looked good and were spliced with electrician's tape when set-up for fishing. Also, for one-piece rods you can buy uncut tubes from Landmark Components. I think I paid about $40 a few years back, mostly due to the extra shipping costs if I remember correctly.
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mvinsel	Splice is swell and quad spliced is better, not swelled	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 351 10/05/2009 17:32	The action of a one piece can be amazing - the only one I've tried was a T&T at their store in Turners Falls in the 80s -could be the same one as wefishcane. I think ferrules kind of suck, all in all. Sometimes they get stuck. I don't see rod breakage as a problem in general with bamboo, compared to graphite, but a lot of breakage that does occur on bamboo occurs near the ferrules. And with metal ferrules I don't think it's a good idea to leave your rod set up for days or weeks at a time - so when you're on a multi day trip your wasting time taking up and putting away your rod. I don't fish any one piece except for a 6' Phillipson glass, but I use a lot of Sharpes Spliced Scotties. They do not make for no flat spot in the action - the swelled area makes for some stiffness at the joints compared to the rest of the rod. In a hexagonal or round cross section, I think you need the swelling and I expect Sharpe's must have confirmed this with testing, because the swelling looks like a lot of trouble to go through if it wasn't necessary. But in a quad rod, spliced on a diagonal you can have a much bigger mating area. Per took a look and mic'd the first Scotty Spey rod I had in the early 90s and theorized he could do it in a quad with little or no swelling. In a quad I think a spliced rod could approach the same action as one piece, and if anyone can, Per can. I'd be curious about what Bob Clay is doing - and I'd be happy to trade a superb 12' #8 Clay rod with ferrules for a spliced version. One thing worth noting is that although we're never supposed to let our rod turn double back itself, like when we're rearing our rods backwards to try to bring a fish to hand when wading - I do this completely without worry all the time with the spliced rods in salmon fishing when I would be very reluctant with a metal ferrule. Either way, being able to leave a rod set up for a while and not have to worry about ferrules is a joy. -Vinnie in Juneau
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tackleman		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 37 10/05/2009 18:33	I have a Riverwatch (Bob Clay) 8'3" 4/5 spliced, hollow built penta. Bob is wonderfull to deal with, and the rod is a pleasure to fish. On it's first river outing, I landed several fish including a 'largish' brown that bent the rod well down into the butt and had no fear of failure with the spliced joint. I also have several Scottie spliced 2-hand rods that are a pleasure to fish. My Gorman 5' single peice rod causes me to want an even more impractical longer single peice rod. The truck box will take 7.5' on the diagonal; for more length I can open the window into the cab. Last Edited By: tackleman 10/05/2009 18:42. Edited 1 time.
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