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gf2	Red Agate Line Guide - Home Shop Fabricated?		Lead	[-]
Posts: 133 10/07/2009 13:04	Tags : None Maybe this belong in the Reelmakers Forum, if so, moderator please move. I have an idea for making a line guide from an inexpensive source of red agate which is agate finger rings (jewelry). The rings I now have on order are advertised as US size 8-9. A reply from the seller confirmed that the actual dimensions are 20mm I.D. x 24mm O.D. x 5mm wide. Seller also confirmed that they are free of cracks or chips. My plan is to machine a bezel with a lip to capture the ring and a separate fitted metal closure for the rear. The frame mounting tang will be silver soldered to ring bezel. Since I have no experience at burnishing a thin bezel to capture the stone, I will use epoxy to secure it inside. The thickness of the agate ring will have to be reduced, radiused and re-polished. Has anyone tried this already? If so, I would appreciate a description of your procedure and results. I also welcome all opinions. If I am successful with this project, the ring will be used in a reel that has an existing bronze line guide. Don't worry, it's mounted with a screw (not a rivet), so this replacement will not harm any original components and it will be reversible. Thanks, gf2
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RonT1		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 557 10/07/2009 13:16	I'm convinced that anybody can make one of anything...it's replication that gets us into trouble. I've shaped turquoise by "glueing" the stone to a drill rod with ferrule cement and turning with a power drill. Faster machine, better hold-down, make a "hollow"...piece o' cake, just don't count the trial n' errors. Would suggest pressing the rim to contain the agate though vs. burnishing.....easier to control IMHO. Maybe make a one time arbor to leverage the press fit if you don't have one. Would like to see pics when done. R
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FISHON206	agate guides	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 13 10/13/2009 22:28	Hi gf2, I have been also thinking of the same. I have several thin agate slabs, and have seen some rings of agate and jade for sale. Take a look in "rod making, restoration.... page 3 "making agate stripping guides" Pretty cool home made stripping guides. Some of the info you could use for reel guides. Keep me posted on your progress, I'll do the same as soon as I get started.---Steve
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gf2	Agate Rings finally arrived - First Step Successful	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 135 11/01/2009 21:41	I will add updates as progress is made. (1) Agate finger rings arrived. Color and quality is good, but, they are way too big. Inside diameter is perfect at 0.755 inch. Width is 0.400 (needs to be around 0.125). Outside diameter is 1.022 (will have to be ground down to go inside bezel to 0.940). I have zero lapidary experience, but do know that all cutting will have to be done slow, wet and cool. At least I've got plenty of extra rings. (2) Making a nickel silver bezel was not too dificult. The only material I have is 0.030 sheet, so my only option is metal spinning. I cut out a disk and annealed it. Made an aluminum form and attached the disk. Shaped a piece of 1/4 drill rod with a full radius end. Hardened and polished the drill rod and mounted it in the toolpost of my 7 x 10 import lathe. Turned the disk at 100 rpm and followed the profile by hand-cranking the tool. The first piece cracked around the perimeter just as the cylindrical portion began to take shape. Started over with a new disk and this time removed it two times as the shape progressed to do intermediate anneal. Completed the shape with no problems. With the shaped piece still on the form, I cut it to length with turning tool skim cut the O.D. to exactly 1.000, and fine sanded it in place. Buffed it to check for maching marks and scratches. Looks good and fit the cut-out in reel cage snugly. Thanks for looking. gf2 Last Edited By: gf2 11/02/2009 22:48. Edited 1 time.
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gf2	Project Completed!!!!	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 139 11/14/2009 20:34	Lineguard is finally finished. For those that may disagree with changing original parts, this conversion is completely reversible. All comments welcomed. Thanks, gf2
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mhackney		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 36 11/14/2009 20:42	Great job! Thanks to you, I am now getting in to metal spinning. What a great fabrication technique! Can I (or please do yourself) post this on the reelsmithing forum in the thread you started for "closure"? cheers, Michael My fly fishing, rod building, fly tying and reel building blog: EclecticGuy The Reelsmithing Forum - learn how to build fly fishing reels and share information!
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dder		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 327 11/14/2009 21:18	I think you did a fine job on making it and looks like was always on reel.This sort of work is great to see I think and in truth some one made all the line guards any way so as long as it looks good and your not selling it as original from factory what harm is there in it. Good for you for seeing this idea you had through and a fine job. This and the splitting bowling ball for ebonite side plates to my thinking is really innovative thinking out side of box stuff and good to see. Thanks for showing us. Daryl
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thardy		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 14 11/14/2009 21:42	This is awesome! When you started this thread, I was thinking, "Yeah, this might be interesting." But what a great job you did. I have a 7x10 import lathe also and will definitely try this too. thank you very much. Tom hardy
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bow river		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1767 11/15/2009 00:05	gf2 looks alright , that agate almost looks a bit orange , yet as soon as it's in the bezel it darkens up lots , you should have the orders coming in now Rich For vintage fly reels & bamboo rods , guided float trips on canada's # 1 best trout river , i have a special for our bamboo forum members www.bowriveradventures.com
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FISHON206		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15 11/17/2009 19:02	Very nice!! Did you rivet a tab to the reel? How did you afix it to the other side of the reel frame? Your work looks factory in the pictures, and since it's your reel...you can do whatever you want to it!! What size ring did you use? #10? Great to see another LHW'er!! Not too many reels with agate line guards in LHW.
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gespliesste		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 383 11/17/2009 19:32	I would like to see also more photos how the ring is afix to the frame on both sides. Could you show some photos how the frame look like with out the NS ring? Great work. Olaf
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gf2		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 141 11/17/2009 22:42	Thanks All for your interest and very kind replies. The reel was originally fitted with a bronze line guide, so no machining of the cage was required. The bezel fits into a 1.000" diameter counterbore which creates a 1/8" deep pocket in both the front and rear cage rings. The bezel is a line-on-line fit into the counterbore. Installation requires a little force and it must be absolutely straight in the pocket. The tab is just insurance that it can not be dislodged. The tab is attached to the rear cage with a screw, rather than a rivet. The bezel is not attached to the front cage ring. With enough force, the bezel could be disloged, but, in so doing the tab would have to bend. The bezel would also have to rotate in its pocket (sort of like flipping a coin inside a close-fitting cylinder. This may not be the world's most secure mounting design, but it's the method used by both Hardy and Young. gf2
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