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pafisherman1		#41	[url]	[-]
Posts: 95 10/19/2009 07:39	I am with Andre, I think it is allot of bull. As I read the original post it was directed at fishing, not just casting 90 ft. Which maybe a few can do but not most. The catch rates were based on fishing over 100 years ago..not in todays world with the dams etc. discussed. Anyway here in the east I have honed my skills to be able to do what needs to be done to catch the crafty brownies on the heavily fished Breeches. Here 90 foot casts are not needed. You need to be able to drop a size 24 Trico in a spot about as big as a teacup at 30 feet. That I can do.. Ask Andre he's been their.... Bill A
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mer		#42	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3258 10/19/2009 07:53	I cast into the backing repeatedly on my Rick Taupier Smidge (6'3" 3/4 wt), but I don't tell people that all my lines are cut at 15 feet. Overestimation of length is pretty common; just ask any guy about the time he asked his wife for a 12 inch piece of string... There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs.
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Gnome		#43	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2299 10/19/2009 08:05 King of the Gnomes	Andre, agree to disagree. Karl, The white does not have the carrying capacity of the Gunnison and access is as hard due to all of the private land but it is one of the top 5 in the state IMHO And what about the carrying capacity of the white river in Arkansas? How many fish per mile there? I do believe it smash's the numbers from the Gunnison. The open invitation to come fish with me stands!!!! ANd I have the sense that you all think I do not fish at less than 60' and that is a wrong assumption. The point I am trying to make is why limit yourself? why not strive to improve your skills as a caster and a fisherman? This includes distance as well as accuracy and the best to work at is making a delicate cast at 60' if you can do that, the same cast at 40' is much easier. If you can handle 50' and then the wind kicks up the same cast will not give you that distance and you must compensate for it. And as far as numbers go well come fish the mesa with me and I did not say they would all be big fish as they will not be, but there will be a bunch of them. Funny how some can use sarcasm but when others use it they have no class Jeff L.P.F.T.G. Last Edited By: Gnome 10/19/2009 08:17. Edited 1 time.
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rlnunleycom		#44	[url]	[-]
Posts: 568 10/19/2009 09:13	andre49 wrote: or a lot of the "literary experst" ~~full~~ of crap. I read one of these guys the other day talking about making casts of 90 ft as if they were a piece of cake. This was done a with a 8040 and the cast was 90 ft and perfect and the fish took. He talks about other rods that he has tried and with regularity states they are great casting tools at 90 ft.(I'm paraphrasing) Another Catskills " expert" long ago passed talks about catching 300 to 500 pounds of trout in a day trip out west. That's a hundred fish at 3 to 5 pounds each. I can't imagine you getting a fish that big in a short enough time to catch 100 fish. There is plenty more bragging in the book but this one had me up last night. So am I envious or they full of crap? Actually I'm not envious and I think they're full of crap. What do you think? Andre, I can't speak for the western streams too much, although I've had 40 plus fish days on one particular (and unnamed) cutthroat creek in Paradise Valley in MT, but here in Arkansas, I've had many 100 plus fish days. Of course, as my wife says, I probably fish too much and had one fish with a scar on his back that I caught several times and gave him a name. On the White river system, while it's not "normal", 100 fish days, with the fish averaging between 12 and 15 inches, is not rare. I don't know that I've ever caught 500 pounds of trout in a day... That's 100 fish at 5 pounds! That is a LOT of 20 inch plus fish. Even a 100 fish day is a LONG day, sunrise to sunset, 14 hours plus and catching a fish every 8 to 10 minutes. That's possible, and likely on the White with the estimated fish population at 7000 fish per stream mile, but in those 100 fish, I might have half a dozen or so that reach 20 inches or more, with one or two over 24. As for my "out west fishing", like I said, 40 plus cuts in a day, but we're talking 10 to 14 inches, so that is, at mos6t a 30 pound day. Here, my biggest bow is 26", my biggest brown landed is also 26 inches, but girth on the brown was about 18 inches. I, too have heard of 300 pound days, but I think that would be a once in a lifetime thing on the White. Other rivers I can't speak for. The Gunnison in CO has a LOT of 20" and over fish and that might be a possibility there. As for the long casts. Well, I can cast a full fly line, but, generally I don't, unless I'm tight lining a streamer. Most of my fishing is done within 40 feet of my rod tip. I don't doubt 90 foot casts with a streamer and nailing fish, but I'd like to see a 90' cast with a trico that's perfect presentation and a drift that will get the fly to the fish and still allow a good hook set. Hard for me to set a hook on a dry or small midge, emerger, etc, outside of 50 feet, but hell, I know there are still things I don't know and can't do, so maybe there are some superfishers out that that can pull it off. Sorry if I stepped on any toes. I didn't read all 5 pages of this thread... just Andre's original question... so if I'm wrong; well, it sure won't be the first time! Bob RL "Bob" Nunley, Rodmaker Ozark Rodmaking School
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mer		#45	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3259 10/19/2009 11:16	The Deerfield river in Mass is a big river in lots of places. The Merrimack up here in NH is another one. Casting 90 feet is a big help. Fishing at 90 feet isn't much fun for me. But I can see it would be useful. There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people. For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs.
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mmorris236		#46	[url]	[-]
Posts: 334 10/21/2009 15:01	Just pondering a bit, but in the last several years of the annual casting competitions at the Catskill Gathering I think one could count the total number of 90 ft casts managed by all participants without removing ones shoes. Either we are all slaggards, or accurate, easy 90 foot casters are just not that common.
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mmorris236		#47	[url]	[-]
Posts: 335 10/21/2009 15:08	I forgot to add. I'm Envious
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro...		#48	[url]	[-]
Posts: 374 10/25/2009 12:30	I could probably catch 500 lbs. of fish in one day, if I had a big enough net. "I stare into the deepest pool of the river which holds the mystery of a cellar to a child, and think of those two track roads that dwindle into nothing in the forest. I have this feeling of walking around for days with the wind knocked out of me." --Jim Harrison
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Eric Peper		#49	[url]	[-]
Posts: 374 10/25/2009 12:59	Actually, Henry's Lake used to produce days such as you describe on a very regular basis before close access to the Staley Springs was restricted and bag limit regulations were put in place. A day of 300# of dead fish could involve as few as 20 or 30 fish. The lake was damn near destroyed in the process, but photographs of those bad old days were still available a few years ago at the lodge at Staley Springs before it was razed. I imagine some of the photos still exist among the lake's old timers. If one has the stamina, the 300#-of-trout days are still available, provided you weight 'em and release 'em, because the lake has completely recovered, and monster trout (cutbows and rainbows) in the teens of pounds are not at all rare, and brook trout approaching 10# are taken each year As to the 90-foot casts? Sure, if you have reasonable skill and stand in a boat with the wind at your back and flick a #10 damsel nymph out there, why not? It is not precision fishing by any means, and the lake is quite shallow and heavy shooting heads and weighted flies are not required. Notwithstanding all of the foregoing, I think we all know the writers of several decades back were prone to exaggeration and perhaps some prevarication. And, of course, those who write today are not . . . ! EP
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro...		#50	[url]	[-]
Posts: 378 10/25/2009 18:55	Gnome-o, I'd like to know how you throw an entire spool of line into the backing with a 6 1/2' rod. I don't doubt that you do it, but it sounds like a marvel of physics. When I cast a rod that short, I'm always bringing the backcast back with an sidearm-underhand stroke, sweeping upward. It's the only way that I know to keep the backcast from dropping with a rod less than 7'-7 1/2', when there's a lot of line out. And I doubt I've ever cast over 60' with a 6' or 6 1/2' rod. It seems to me that you must really be developing a lot of line speed on the back haul, as well as the final cast. "I stare into the deepest pool of the river which holds the mystery of a cellar to a child, and think of those two track roads that dwindle into nothing in the forest. I have this feeling of walking around for days with the wind knocked out of me." --Jim Harrison
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Gnome		#51	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2303 10/25/2009 19:47 King of the Gnomes	Freestoner, Not a marvel of physics just lots of practice on the water and off with all types of flyrods in all types of conditions. 1 I am not carrying alot of line in the air, no more than 40' before the final back and front cast. 2 Shoot line on your final backcast and front cast 3 use a Double haul on both strokes (Back and front cast) 4 practice so that your timing is correct and you are not trying to do it with sheer muscle This will cause howls of indignation but the single foot guides also help due to the drop in friction caused by the slickness of the SiC insert. Come visit the cave and football field and I will show you. Jeff
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adam trahan		#52	[url]	[-]
Posts: 214 10/27/2009 02:50	I took the above picture. (click on the image) I've seen him cast a couple of six and a half foot rods that he made and I've cast them myself along with Harry Boyd and many others. I will attest that it can be done because I've seen him do it and I've done it myself with the rods he made. They are magic. Cast one if you get a chance and see for yourself. grassart studio
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