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andre49 |
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I got to thinking today about why Art Weiler rods are not more coveted. I own 3 and would stack them up against any of the Garrison clone makers who rods I
have actually seen and cast. They are a bargain new and on the secondary market. I can't say I've ever seen or cast one that was a bad rod. AJ Thramer
is close to Art's price range and makes great rods but he get's kudos often and deserves them. Just can't understand why Art is not talked about
more. Anyone else have someone they feel the same about? Btw, you will not see my selling my Weiler rods any time soon so this is a legit post.
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Joel Anderson |
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Andre, I wonder if it has anything to do with the general lack of interest in the Garrison tapers that Art seems to specialize in. As I have stated before, I
love the 193, 201, and 209e-HB tapers I have built, but most of the talk on the boards centers around Payne, Young and Dickerson tapers.
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fisherman911 |
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Art makes great Young, Dickerson and Payne clones also along with a number of rods based on his own tapers. He flies a little under the radar because I
don't think he promotes himself much or to the best of my knowledge, participates in forums like this. As he told me once I just like to build rods. I
think that people who know his work tend to have more then one of his rods,( I have four) and tend hang on to them so he probably has a lot more rods out
there then you would expect. He is very knowledgeable and has a strong following in the mid Atlantic region.
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JJZ |
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I own four Art Weiler rod's and they are coveted. His craftmanship is evident and his experience ever present by his thirty some years of rodmaking. His
tapers are mostly copied renditions of past masters who I feel would be MORE than proud of his attempts, most assuredly. I visited him at his house last
summer, it was a visit that I will not soon forget. Yes, I cast many of his rods that day, and set aside two that I own. However, it was his demeanor and deep
understanding of taper desighn that amazed me. His willingness to educate and bring to the forefront a makers attent also went unnoticed. It was a wonderful
day in which I look back on fondly.
I do like Art Weiler rods, can you tell.... |
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caddisman3 |
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Art is way under the radar,even with a 1000+ rods under his belt!His Gillum model 765 is easely the best new rod under a Grand PERIOD imho
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Alaric11 |
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Not really a hijack but a somewhat tangential set of comments. First of all thanks for commending Mr Weiler's rods. I have often visited his website and
wondered about how his work is regarded. I was very favorably inclined to the tapers he makes and found it quite cool that there are some Pezons amongst them.
As in any human endeavor where one attempts to assess excellence I suspect that there is some injustice in the sphere of rodmaker reputations. No doubt there are some who have climbed above their true merit and others who do not get the recognition they deserve. There may well be many who get their just desserts either negatively or positively. I sometimes think that very superficial factors can either propel one to undeserved heights or leave a maker in relative obscurity. Some of these factors? (1) Price I've noticed a tendency that if a rodmaker prices his rods near the lower end of the price spectrum people assume that there is some reason for this, i.e., a new builder, a hobbyist, some lower level of quality. It may simply be that a maker wants his work within reach of a broader group of fisherman, or that he feels this is a "just price," or that he might sell more and ultimately do better this way (price point model). At the other end of the spectrum are high priced rods that may not be "worth" the premium. I won't name names but I think some of the established companies often charge a price that cannot be considered "worth it" when compared to a rod by an individual maker. Mr Weiler has fairly priced rods and may suffer some from these silly assumptions. (2) Website. I think people often are influenced by the sophistication and beauty of the website of the maker. Of course, many great makers have lovely and informative sites (eg, Brandin, Carlin, Schilske). I think Mr Weiler's page is relatively simple and unsophisticated. It has a kind of Americana 1950s feel that is exacerbated by the place name "Kunkelstown". The photos of his work are VERY simple, spartan shots that don't look much different than an online auction photo. There is no mystical prose, fascinating biography, or technical pyrotechnics to wow a visitor to the site. So, perhaps Weiler suffers from the lack of sophistication of his webpage---unfair---but maybe true. (3) Cloning. There may be some who simply think that replica rods don't rise to the level of worth of "novel tapers". Some people want to see some kind of innovation whether it be hollow building, or quadrate, or god knows what. I'm on the fence on this. I think true genius and the ability to truly innovate are extremely rare. I dislike novelty for novelty's sake. I tire of the artist's need to smash the idols of the past just top thumb his nose at the rest of society. I long for a day in which craftsmen continue longstanding traditions, and preserving those traditions is on an equal footing with "innovation." So, I don't doubt that todays makers can tweak and improve the great tapers and that some innovation is taking place somewhere. For myself I am more interested in the hommage rods. Thanks again for the positive report on Weiler----of great interest to a Garrison fan like me.
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slate river |
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Andre,
I couldn't agree with you more. I have two of Art's rods and would put my 209E up against any other rod of the same or similar taper. Art is also a great guy who just enjoys building and fishing beautiful rods. You can't go wrong with any of his rods. Bob |
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ibookje |
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I am starting to appreciate the no frills Garrison cosmetics on his rods.
However I have several rods in the range of 7 - 7.6 ft #4/5 to place an order... |
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rico64 |
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I RECENTLY exchange several mail with Mr. Weiler and he told me he had a new rod built on the basis of a 209 garrison, it is the 209 FB (fast butt)a faster
taper 209. Someone had the opportunity to try this rod.
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andre49 |
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slate river wrote:Bob, I have a 209E That I love. Nice to see people appreciate Art's rods. Btw, great olive hatch on a spring creek near here this weekend. Let me know if your interested. Alaric 11, I think your right in most of what you say. Well thought out. I will now put my Weilers on sale in the classifieds.
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slate river |
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Andre,
Sent you a pm. Also, how much do you want for your Weilers'? Just kidding... Bob |
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OnlyTrout |
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andre, thanks for brining attention to this rod maker I was not aware of. I am checking his rods out.
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canetuck |
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Been looking to buy a Garrison clone,and called Art yesterday.He was very friendly and seemed to really like to talk rods.He even gave me a few rod building
tips.Looking forward to getting my Weiler rod.
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Eperous |
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I also own two rods by Art... a Garrison 201 7 foot 3/4 weight plus a Leonard 39-5 7 1/2 foot 5 weight... I truly enjoy using both rods in the places I fish
them... I'm giving serious thought to Art's Garrison 212, an 8 foot 5 weight but first want to put a line on it.... and as noted above, Art is a super
guy to talk to....
Perhaps because Art is an east coast - PA - builder, his reputation is not as wide as other better known bamboo folks... I bet there are a few cane builders out west or down south that I, and maybe a few of us, don't know that much about either.... PS - the cane rod on the green moss in the headwater brook trout stream in my Avatar is my Weiler Leonard...
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Art was recommended to me years ago while i was attending the Somerset show. I then went to his booth chatted for a while and ordered a 209E. I often find
myself using the rod quite often especially early in the season during the Hendrickson hatch. Art's rods today are a deal for the money. I've been
thinking of getting his version of Dickersons 761510 RB which i was able to cast and it's one powerful rod.
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PkwyAngler |
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It is nice to see friend Art Weiler getting a few well deserved accolades from forum members for his rod work in split bamboo. For several decades he's been quietly crafting bamboo fly rods first from his home on East Ave. in Bound Brook NJ, while a full time Educator, and now from his retirement dream home in Kunkletown, Pa. where these days he's crafting rods & fishing local Pocono mountain streams full time. BTW, Art has not entirely escaped the radar screen as a rod maker. Art Carter (cofounder & former Executive Editor of Sporting Classics Magazine) in his 1994 book "The Sporting Craftsmen" quietly recognized Art Weiler's rod making talents by writing…
"Another rodmaker whose work falls into the bargain category is Art Weiler of Bound Brook, New Jersey. He hand planes exact reproductions of rods made by the late Everett Garrison. Garrison rods have achieved cult status among those who love and collect bamboo rods. And he is the patron saint for many rodmakers…"
Carter's chapter on handcrafted split bamboo fly rods was devoted mostly to the more famed and recognized rodmakers at the time. So, honorable mention amongst such a distinguished peer group of craftsmen goes without saying.
To the contrary, I think Weiler rod's are very much coveted by their owners who more than likely are anglers that fish and respect these gems as opposed to pure collector/speculator types. This being the case may explain, in part, the limited volume of publicity that Art Weiler rods receive. I know I certainly enjoy well made rods at extremely attractive & reasonable prices that as a fly fisher I can obtain w/o waiting years to have in hand to fish with. And to be selfish… something from within always likes a bargain!
I have owned and fished one of Art's Garrison 209E reproductions for about 20 years. Like most who commented on this reproduction taper, I too have been impressed with its "all around" performance as a rod that always gets the job done! It has been one heck of a durable fly rod for me.
As mentioned, in recent years Art has expanded his tapers to include other Classic Masters beyond the reproduction Garrisons that he is best known for. Of late I have enjoyed owning and fishing his hand planed reproduction version of a Dickerson 761510 RB taper taken from an original he worked on.
I put the rod to the challenge this past season by fishing it exclusively.
It handled just about every condition imaginable. I fished it on Eastern waters the likes of: Willowemoc Creek,
Beaverkill River, East Branch of Delaware, West Branch of Delaware, and the main stem of Delaware River. I then took it
West to pound the waters of the Bighorn River below Yellowtail Dam (both wading and floating) for a week. The rod is a
keeper, as it came through as a trooper. Below are two images of trout that succumbed to all seven foot- six inches of
lovely reed.
Just my 2 cents.
Tight lines to all, Pkwyangler
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I have Art's Garrison 202e 7 ft 4 wgt repro. It is a wonderful rod in all respects. I fish it most of the time on the smaller streams and use my AJ Thramer
7.5 ft 5 wgt on bigger water. The two rods are comparable in quality and workmanship and both are a joy to fish with. Art is a super guy and is a real
gentleman to deal with. I am about ready to buy another of his rods - probably his one-piece small stream rod. I am very fortunate to have rods from two such
fine makers! I would be hard pressed to say which I like best!
Tight lines, Marty |
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