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Posts: 597 10/27/2009 23:07 |
Lets not turn these fish into idol worship,they are after all trout[or whatever your species]respect them but jeez.No matter how carefully or thoughtfully they
are handled and released there is a mortality rate inherent in this activity.I have practiced careful C&R for a long time but i am not so self rightous
that i believe a picture of a fish laid on the ground is worthy of all this animossity.
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paxlev |
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Posts: 869 10/27/2009 23:22 |
I hardily agree. Let's focus on the wonder of this too short of season and not be too concerned about the fish caught, photographed and released. Our sport
and we members and others do so much to support the habitat of these beautiful fish. Let's enjoy the pictures, and be glad that we get to experience the
beauty of holding a split bamboo rod against a tight line on a beautiful piece of water.
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quashnet |
for paxlev, because you asked | #43 | ||
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Posts: 2857 10/27/2009 23:24 Moderatus Muscae |
Fishing in the rain this past weekend, with a PHY Para 15.
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solitaryangle |
"most detrimental to the fishes recovery" | #44 | ||
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Posts: 200 10/28/2009 02:01 |
Hey Bob - what scientific documentation can you show me that backs up this mighty claim that taking a fish out of water is "most detrimental to the fishes
recovery"? Please do tell. I for one would love to be more educated on this topic.
In my opinion, judgment at the time is critical in determining whether it's appropriate. Broad (and dramatically-worded) generalizations that judge other people should not be tolerated, here or elsewhere in this life. Gary |
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Posts: 7568 10/28/2009 08:35 Bulldog1935 |
Bob, that's a beautiful photo and a great rod and reel.
On the fish mortality - lighten up, guys. Spotted seatrout are among the most queasy fish in our inshore fishery. I caught one that had been filleted all the way down one side by a shark. Most of the gill was missing, the membrane was intact, and the missing fillet was scarred over with red scar tissue. Brian O'Keefe last weekend was talking about Alaska rainbows - you can catch the same fish over and over on a mouse pattern, because when they eat mice they get bitten by them and that hurts a lot more than our hook in their mouth. Don't feed the PETAs, guys - they're going to end our sport in our lifetime. 
all that being said, I do agree that there is no reason to hurt a fish to get its photo - keep its gills wet.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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Slate Drake 9 |
Submerging rods? | #46 | ||
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Posts: 126 10/28/2009 09:21 |
I see a lot of pictures on this forum of bamboo rods partially submerged in water for photos (with and without fish). Is this a safe practice for rods?
Isn't there any concern of water entering the rod in a way you don't want it to? Just wondering, not trying to antagonize anyone with this.
Fishing with bait is like swearing in church.
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paxlev |
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Posts: 870 10/28/2009 09:49 |
Slate, good question about rods in water. I try to keep my rods and reels out of the water if at all possible. Occasionally I will be tying a new fly on and
see the tip dipping into the water as my 'leg vice' used to hold the rod and reel allows the rod to dip down a little and I always stop and move the
tip back into the air. Given that some builders don't cap the male ferrules or do much to protect bamboo within the reel seat area from water exposure, I
would assume that it's not a good thing to let your rod spend too much time in the water. Still, this is a good subject for another thread. Slate and
Bulldog, thanks for the new pics. Guys, 3,000 plus forum members and we only have a couple of dozen pics from this season's fishing with bamboo? Ric
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pvansch1 |
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Posts: 4874 10/28/2009 09:49 Moderator |
I hear ya Slate, I don't like submerging my gear in water. Rods nor reels.
I do wash down my gear and dry it appropriately after saltwater fishing. 
Pete
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bulldog1935 |
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Posts: 7569 10/28/2009 10:26 Bulldog1935 |
I don't make a habit of dunking my rods for photos - sometimes it works out that way
Other times, the flagstone makes a very convenient shelf for a 6-second fish shot   
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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teter |
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Posts: 1446 10/28/2009 11:38 |
Some of my favorites from this year:
7'6" Heddon Black Beauty and Young Beaudex 
8'6" Phillipson Peerless Dry Fly Special and Winston Perfect 
8' Leonard Tournament 50 with Leonard 50 raised-pillar reel 
8' Phillipson Premium with Hardy LRH 
Bill Abrams Dickerson 8013 RBS with Hardy LRH 
8' H.R. Sedgwick with Meek 55 
8' Gene Edwards Deluxe 52 with Beaudex 
9' F.E. Thomas Special Streamer with Hardy Perfect 
8' W.E. Edwards Quadrate #40 with Lyon & Coulson Varden 
8'6" Goodwin Granger Favorite with Heddon Imperial 125A 
8'6" Bill Rosgen Special (Edwards Quad) with Young Condex 
8'6" Heddon 14 Thorobred with Heddon Imperial 125C 
8' Heddon 14 Thorobred with Hardy LRH
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thegubster |
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Posts: 1719 10/28/2009 11:51 |
Geez Teter...NIICE pics!
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bulldog1935 |
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Posts: 7572 10/28/2009 12:17 Bulldog1935 |
yes, we always enjoy Lon's photos.
the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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teter |
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Posts: 1447 10/28/2009 12:41 |
Thanks. Sorry that most of the pictures are recycled.
And sadly, the Edwards quad in the third picture from the bottom no longer lives with me.
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Horton Creek |
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Posts: 625 10/28/2009 14:52 |
Mike Clark's Collection of Granger Regisitered's
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OnlyTrout |
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Posts: 116 10/28/2009 15:45 |
Holy Cow Teter - you have more rods than you can -- shake a rod at. Nice fish too.
Dugdan, I have never seen a trout with a lime green belly - very nice. Hope your wife is feeling beter. |
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teter |
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Posts: 1448 10/28/2009 15:47 |
Nice group of pics, Horton Creek. BTW, I discovered the fun of catching jacks on bamboo last winter, and I intend to try it again.
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Posts: 3176 10/28/2009 18:51 |
solitaryangle wrote: "Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys which distract our attention from serious things. They are but an improved means to an unimproved
end."
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quashnet |
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Posts: 2858 10/28/2009 20:37 Moderatus Muscae |
The outer layer of skin is the epidermis. In a trout, the epidermis overlies the scales and is full of mucus glands, which exude the outer coating of mucus.
Mucus is not as fragile as you might think. Trout are well-adapted to live in a harsh riverine environments where grit and detritus scrape their bodies as they
hold station in current flow, or branches scrape them as they flee from otters, or as the females violently dislodge sand and gravel with their bodies during
nest building.
Trout are not adapted by evolution to being taken out of water and handled by humans. So it is valid to ask whether the abrasive forces that trout face during human handling are different, and perhaps more harmful, than the abrasive forces fish face in the riverine environment. In general, quick careful handling and a well-planned photo op are not going to cause physical abrasion to any great degree. If you have worked with fisheries biologists doing in-stream population studiers (as I have for many years), you will see them pick up trout with bare, wet hands, working quickly and carefully to weigh, measure, and perhaps tag the fish, with no anticipation of causing lasting harm. You may even see them take a scale sample from a living fish in the belief that this will cause no lasting harm, because fish get cuts and scrapes just like we do. I would be far more concerned about whether a fish has fought very hard, and been brought from cooler deeper water to warm water during the fight. Lactic acid build-up in the muscles (with associated drop in pH) due to exertion and oxygen depletion, plus thermal shock, will kill the fish far more readily than being laid on a cool log for a photo. So fishing in cool weather and taking a quick photo with an automatic camera will not harm a fish. Fishing in hot weather, and laying a fish that has fought hard on a hot, dry streamside rock for an endless series of fussy photos intended to get the perfect desktop image, is likely to kill the fish. As is often the case when discussing both human and fisheries matters, "it all depends." A good general text is Trout Biology by Bill Willers (1991 revised edition). |
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OnlyTrout |
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Posts: 117 10/28/2009 21:47 |
I think the concerns stated here about "trout" pictures are valid and I must admit I have often wondered if I did hard to some of the trout I took
pictures of. But in thinking about that I learned by common sense to take pictures by leaving the trout in the water or just barely on a wet sand or dirt or
whatever wet surface just next to the water - never on hot rocks or sand - and taking a quick picture. That being said, it is not correct to
assumethat trout pictures are taken just for the sake of impressing others. I know that others must be like me, taking pictures of trout and the rod
they caught it on for the sake of looking at that picture in the future, possibly in the cold winter months when they are missing this great sport, and by
looking at these pictures remember the time and place, the battle, and the trout. I can look at my trout pictures and remember all of it and I derive much joy
from it. These pictures are for me. I also know that I have held fish in the current for a long time just to make sure it is completely revived. Have I and
some of you accidently killed trout doing this? Probably, maybe, but who really knows. We do know that careless handling of trout will often lead to their
death. That has probably happened a lot more in the past that now due to the constant education trout fishermen receive just by being in this sport. I agree
that most of us know how to look at the situation and know if taking a picture at that time poses a danger to the trout.
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paxlev |
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Posts: 872 10/28/2009 22:48 |
Teter and Horton C, great pics. Very great pics. Only trout and Quash, thank you for your thoughtful posts/insights. Only trout, I agree that the pictures are
for the taker, and I like you am very careful not to handle the trout, to keep the trout in the water resting gently in a few inches along a calm bank. These
pictures are a rare occassion, as most of us enjoy fishing more and taking pictures less, and usually leave the camera behind. This year I probably took ten
shots of fish on the line, at the bank, or somewhere in the 'catch' of the catch and release. I took far more time taking a few seconds to capture a
mental image of my worthy opponents as we played each other in a game of chess with the victor, I believe, usually being both the fisher and the fish. Still,
there are those days, those rivers, and those fish that deserve to be captured electronically so the fisherman can refresh the memory of that moment on a cold
winter day when the fishing is hard. Ric
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