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 oldschoolcane |
Andre Puyans AP nymphs & classic patterns |
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Posts: 224 10/28/2009 14:05 |
I'd like to begin tying some of the Andre Puyans patterns but I can't seem to find any real information that describes the patterns?
Does anyone have any ideas on how the AP nymph series of patterns should be tied? Thanks, Tim |
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Posts: 1945 10/28/2009 14:37 |
Tim
Does these help: http://stevenojai.tripod.com/apnymph.htm http://www.westfly.com/fly-pattern-recipe/wet/apnymph.shtml http://www.goldenstateflycasters.org/Flies/MuskratNymph.html http://www.invictaflies.us/Nymphs/AP%20Turkey/ap_turkey_tail.htm Cheers and Safe Fishing Bob PS - Found a bunch more doing a Google search on : "andre puyans nymphs" |
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oldschoolcane |
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Posts: 225 10/28/2009 16:21 |
Thanks, Bob. I'd done a search but must have used different wording, does anyone here have any feedback or experience with these patterns? I am most
interested in the AP Peacock & Pheasant, will get started tying it first. When thinking about "Classic" nymphs what other tyers/patterns come to
mind? I think of John Atherton, Al Troth & Sawyer.....who else should be considered?
Tim |
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Posts: 137 10/28/2009 23:14 |
Try contacting Bud Frasca at Northwest Classic Tackle, I believe in Idaho. He is a great guy to talk to, and was a personal friend of the late Mr. Puyans. If
any one can give expert opinions on these flies, it is Bud.
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Posts: 601 10/29/2009 01:46 |
I second the opinion about calling Bud. Also, I believe that FFM and Angler magazines both published articles with photos, back in the 1970's.
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creakycane |
AP Nymphs | #5 | ||
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Posts: 2361 10/29/2009 07:41 |
Terry Hellekson's Popular Fly Patterns from 1977 has patterns and tying instructions for the AP Series of Nymphs, including sketches that make clear the tying details.... |
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Posts: 771 10/29/2009 14:29 |
The AP series of nymphs was more a style and a use of techniques than just specific patterns. The precise materials and color were not the significance of
those flies. The style and techiques can be used to tie imitations of most mayfly and stonefly nymphs by just changing the color of the body materials and the
material used for the tail/wingcase/legs (usually all the same). Andy used the fly to demonstrate, among other things, a technique of dubbing, ribbing between
the segments of dubbing and using the same section of tail material for the wingcase and legs. He was one of the country's finest fly tiers of his time and
also one of its greatest teachers, who taught many of today's finest tiers and anglers. His flies were meticulously tied, and he could tell you what every
single turn of thread was intended to do.
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oldschoolcane |
AP Nymphs patterns | #7 | ||
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Posts: 227 10/30/2009 12:31 |
16 pmd, yes - I agree about the techniques and the obviously high level of skill involved in tying these patterns. These patterns also call for materials such
as moose & beaver that aren't often used. So, I am looking forward to learning more about how these flies were tied and the materials used by Andre.
Tim |
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Posts: 2311 11/02/2009 09:32 King of the Gnomes |
Tim,
In the late 1980's the A.P. series of nymphs where one of the "Standard " patterns we carried in a fly shop I was working at. The best seemed to be the Pheasent tail version(peacock and PT) and a dark brown one tied with buffalo for the dubbing and moose for the wingcase and tail and legs. Jeff |
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oldschoolcane |
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Posts: 228 11/02/2009 12:33 |
Jeff, the peacock pheasant tail is the pattern I'd like to start with. I have the book above ordered and should get it soon, can anyone suggest a good
online source for some of the materials like beaver dubbing, moose & buffalo? My fly shop here in Kansas City, doesn't carry a lot of this? Any ideas
on a reliable online supplier?
Tim |
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Posts: 773 11/02/2009 15:00 |
Beaver dubbing and moose are very common and easy to get. Blue Ribbon Flies in West Yellowstone dyes and mixes their own beaver dubbing and, of course has
moose body hair. Both are available at a lot of other places as well. Buffalo fur, as far as I know, isn't sold. If you go to Yellowstone Park, it's
available for the taking on the pine trees where the buffalo hang out. Otherwise, you can use any darkish medium brown, fairly coarse dubbing because, for that
fly and for fishing purposes, having exactly the same material definitely does not matter.
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Booman2 |
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Posts: 606 11/04/2009 02:21 |
Andy did an excellent series of tying instructional articles for the old Angler magazine, in Oakland, Ca. in the 1970's. His column was called "Fit to
be Tyed" and featured instruction and good photos. Back issues of this magazine should be available from some of the major angling book dealers. Andy had
fabulous knowledge of the history of various patterns and their origins. His attention to detail and ability to cull materials in order to select exactly the
best hackle, etc. was the best. Unfortunately, speed was not a Puyans attribute, and he would have starved to death if he would have ever had to tie flies for
grocery money. I recall one night in Last Chance when he took about 3 hours to tie two black ants - but they were perfect. Jim Adams in Berkeley may still have
a few of Andy's flies for sale.
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Gnome |
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Posts: 2315 11/04/2009 08:39 King of the Gnomes |
If you want to use the real thing try the Matoska Trading Company. They have buffalo hide trimmings for $16.00 a pound
and here is the link; http://www.matoska.com/cgibin/gencat.cgi?AC=gencat&PC=18&ST=0&RS=NULL&S1S2=87%2CNULL Jeff |
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JeffK.fiberglassflyro... |
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Posts: 67 11/04/2009 10:42 |
Thanks for the info. This aren't all that common out East, but look like great generic nymphs. Will tie a few up this winter.
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oldschoolcane |
AP nymph | #14 | ||
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Posts: 230 11/04/2009 11:43 |
I just received Dave Hughes latest book on tying nymphs, it includes several AP Nymph patterns. I have to say this has to be the most complete book on fishing
and tying nymphs that I've read. Here's the pattern for the A.P. Peacock and Pheasant:
Mustad 9671 Black thread Tail, wingcase and legs - Ringneck pheasant center tail fibers. Select so that dark center portion covers wingcase. Ribbing - copper wire Body and thorax - Bronze peacock herl. Head - use tying thread. Tim
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