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RPL		#61	[url]	[-]
Posts: 254 10/28/2009 23:21	Last summer while wading, without waders, off a secluded beach, ran into a number of Hawaiian beauties, including bone and lion fish. Not advisable to handle the latter critter for a photo op or for any other reason for that matter. Carefully remove the hook with pliers only, no hands. I don't want to give salmonids any ideas, but I think it's spines carry a strong, incapacitating venom. Only wish I could say that I had caught them on cane. Last Edited By: RPL 10/28/2009 23:31. Edited 1 time.
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kinzua	for your consideration	#62	[url]	[-]
Posts: 72 10/28/2009 23:38	Physiological Effects of Brief Air Exposure in Exhaustively Exercised Rainbow Trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss): Implications for "Catch and Release" Fisheries R. A. Ferguson and B. L. Tufts Abstract: Rainbow trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss) which were air exposed for 60 s after exhaustive exercise initially had a much larger extracellular acidosis than trout which were only exercised. In both groups, however, plasma pH returned to normal by 4 h. Blood lactate concentrations were also greater in the air-exposed fish and continued to increase throughout the experiment. During air exposure, there was retention of carbon dioxide in the blood, and oxygen tension (Po₂) and hemoglobin:oxygen carriage (Hb:O₂) both fell by over 80%. After 30 min of recovery, however, blood gases resembled those in fish which were only exercised. Finally, survival after 12 h was 100% in control fish and 88% in the exercised fish but fell to 62 and 28% in fish which were air exposed for 30 and 60 s, respectively, after exercise. These results indicate that the brief period of air exposure which occurs in many "catch and release" fisheries is a significant additional stress which may ultimately influence whether a released fish survives.
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philpsych		#63	[url]	[-]
Posts: 378 10/29/2009 00:25 Moderator	Hi Kinzua - Thanks for this, the 30/60s results are shocking. What journal was this published in? Mark
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quashnet	Ferguson & Tufts	#64	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2859 10/29/2009 00:51 Moderatus Muscae	Ferguson and Tufts' study is in the Canadian Journal of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences, Vol. 49, No. 6. Similar studies show as much as 100% survival in all groups, but even these optimistic studies recommend caution in how fish are handled and released. For example, Schreer, Resch, Gately & Cooke, "Swimming Performance of Brook Trout after Simulated Catch-and-Release Angling: Looking for Air Exposure Thresholds," North American Journal of Fisheries Management, #25, 2005. In this study, after exercise fish were held in open air for 0, 30, 60, or 120 seconds. 100% of the fish survived, being held for three months after the experiment ended. But fishes held 120 seconds in air didn't swim well for quite a while after being released, and the authors felt that these fish would die if they were released into heavy currents or drifted into the vicinity of a predator. I believe that much depends on how a study defines and carries out "exhaustive exercise," and in what water temperatures and air temperatures the work is carried out.
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RPL		#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 256 10/29/2009 00:56	Kinzua -- Interesting. Thanks. The potential impact of air exposure is indeed significant for a fish, but the impact on the fishery would also depend on the actual percentage of the total that fishermen catch. If fishermen catch and release 10 percent of the total fish in a river, for example, then 0.4 - 0.7 percent of the fishery would be affected, according to this study. I do not mean to understate the importance of keeping a fish in water. Just want to understand this larger context.
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quashnet	Four PHY Co. rods, various reel seat options	#66	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2860 10/29/2009 01:26 Moderatus Muscae	Top to Bottom: PHY Co. Para 17, screwlock cork seat with fixed two inch extension butt PHY Co. Para 15, screwlock cork seat PHY Co. Martha Marie, cap and ring PHY Co. Driggs, dual black rings Quashnet's Paul H. Young Rod Database has photos and descriptions of 495 PHY Co. rods, plus catalogs, accessories, etc. Thank you to all who continue to send me PHY rod photos and info.
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tiptop		#67	[url]	[-]
Posts: 624 10/29/2009 08:22	Here's a shot from the Fall River in RMNP from this August while attending the CO cane conclave. A greenback cutthroat and Dave Kenney rod -- too much beauty!
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cwood		#68	[url]	[-]
Posts: 642 10/29/2009 09:56	Nice pics guys. I need to save up and get a camera that is creek worthy.... my last one took a swim and now all I have are "mental pics", but unfortunately my mental memory card fills up pretty fast. I'm hesitant to get into the fish handling discussion but I will add just a little. I am a state fisheries biologist and conduct fish surveys via electrofishing, seining, and mask and snorkel all year. I can attest from years of collecting fish that proper handling of fish is very important, but not a major issue for fish populations as a whole. We do mark recapture studies where fin clips are taken from collected fish. Subsequent re-samples rarely show any significant mortality. We shock, net, weigh, measure, clip, and then return with very little mortality. If you want to protect your fishery, protect riparian buffers and decrease runoff and effluent into the system. Abiotic impacts like floods and drought have been modulating fish populations since the dawn of our Ichthy fauna. These abiotic impacts plus the tremendous amount of inputs from sediments and toxins from anthropogenic sources are what ultimately controls fish populations, not a handful of fishermen practicing catch and release. Most research shows your typical catch and release stream has neither larger or more fish, it is simply a cultural regulation meant to please a certain group of anglers (i.e., fly fishermen) . So if actually keeping a minimum number of fish usually doesn't hurt a fish population (granted it has a decent population in the first place) I highly doubt taking a picture of one prior to releasing it will hurt the population. Just my 2 cents. Last Edited By: cwood 10/29/2009 10:06. Edited 3 times.
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ttrotter		#69	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1280 10/29/2009 10:42 Moderator	Well, I've been refraining from this picture taking, fish handling discussion (been involved with to many of them with no good coming from any of them) :-) But cwood's comments above echo my thought's 100%-and he even knows what he is talking about given his profession. A smidgen of common sense goes a long way also. I practice catch and release and have for years, but I know I have unintentionally killed a fish here and there- it comes with the sport. I do not take exception with those who photograph fish and, for the life of me, I can't see how someone who was not on the scene but merely looking at a photo can even begin to know what shape the fish was in when returned to the stream (much less whether or not the fish survived). It is sad to me that on this forum some members are ridiculed for posting fish photos and others get stones hurled at them for doing the ridiculing. Equally unfortunate is that the tone of these types of discussions quickly becomes ungentlemanly. And I mean on both sides of the issue. And, yes, I have been guilty also. For these occasions, I humbly apologize. I wonder if it would be alright if I take my little grandson to a stocked stream with a Zebco 33 and a can of Nibletts or worms? Could we keep 1 or 2 to fry up for lunch? paxlev, my sincere apologizes to you as this post has nothing to do with your thread. Regards to all, Tom
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paxlev		#70	[url]	[-]
Posts: 873 10/29/2009 11:11	All I can say is, keep the season's pictures of rods (and, yes) fish coming. Leave the discussions, for those of you who need such regarding the handling of fish, to another thread/topic which, while a worthy and so far civil and very interesting discussion, wasn't the point of my thread. Regards to all bamboo rod and fish lovers everywhere!
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PkwyAngler		#71	[url]	[-]
Posts: 223 10/29/2009 11:52	A most interesting thread started for season's close with great intents but riddled with controversy surrounding our hobby & sport. The comments on respecting and preserving a resource of somewhat fragile nature, the fishery, are well taken, and we should all strive to minimize our impact & footprints on these environs while yet deriving a sense of enjoyment, satisfaction and perhaps accomplishment. We all have different and varying needs in this endeavor of fly fishing, and we should be sensitive to the needs of others, not necessarily the same as ours. However, we shouldn't be critical of others who are enjoying the sport in their way, be it a fish photograph to preserve & share a memory or a dinner fish to nourish body & soul. Let's face it, ownership of finely hand crafted split bamboo fly rod(s) can be a hobby in itself, but the closely associated sport of fly fishing is a blood sport by nature which conjures up thoughts of trophy prey, and wall hangers of yester year, etc. Today, we are more educated and smarter at what we do to improve and conserve the quality of our outdoor experiences & recreation, but we are not perfect. Concepts of C&R have added greatly to our sport, but let's not have Right wing VS Left wing factions… we are all in it together and have a place in the spectrum. So, get over it… that is the "Perfection" part of it. Tight Lines, Pkwyangler PS… Here's my contribution to "Eye Candy", one of three fish portraits I took in the year of the many fish caught & released. Hopefully, I did my part to conserve! PPS… I too am not fond of dunking rod & reel subsurface… but do what I have to benefit the cause when the opportunity presents itself…
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bulldog1935		#72	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7580 10/29/2009 14:30 Bulldog1935	kinzua wrote: Finally, survival after 12 h was 100% in control fish and 88% in the exercised fish but fell to 62 and 28% in fish which were air exposed for 30 and 60 s, respectively, after exercise. These results indicate that the brief period of air exposure which occurs in many "catch and release" fisheries is a significant additional stress which may ultimately influence whether a released fish survives. that is a hell of a long time. any time you post photos of a fish, someone believes it is being abused. I swear to you guys, I average 6 seconds for my fish photos - I've tested myself over and over in response to the same argument on our TU chapter board, the Guadalupe tailwater. I caught and released a fish that a week later was caught and measured for a state catch-and-release flyrod record. They measured the fish length, girth, weighed it and between the guide and patron handled it for several photos. The week before, I took only one photo of the fish thrashing the water, but it took so long to land, I didn't even lift the net - I flicked the hook and immediately released it, making sure it swam away healthy. In contrast, when I fished with Frank Smethurst filming TU On the Rise on our tailwater, I couldn't even bring myself to lift fish out of the water for the camera, and was really surprised how long Frank was willing to handle them, though he did a good job of mainly keeping the subdued fish in the net and submerged. the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is. Last Edited By: bulldog1935 10/29/2009 15:57. Edited 1 time.
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swalker9513.ultralightflyfi...		#73	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9 10/29/2009 15:24	You guys have quite a collection of beautiful rods. I appreciate everyone's willingness to post pics of them. I could look at fishing rods all day. Most are beautiful pieces of art, and they calm the soul. Please keep them coming. www.kseanwalker.com/wordpress
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solitaryangle		#74	[url]	[-]
Posts: 201 10/29/2009 15:35	thanks all for the information re: time out of water. like bulldog, 6-8 seconds is the max for me. if they flop before the photo gets snapped (i.e. not cooperating), they go back in the water for a while before try #2. i never release them in heavy current either. not trying to justify my actions, just suggesting some common sense to keep in mind if you are like me and you love the colors of the fish and your equipment in photos. and since i fish alone most of the time, there's no one there to take photos of me holding the fish in the water, although my long arms sometimes allow me to do this "in water" pose solo. oh and i also don't use a net since it at times it takes a while to get them unhooked and disentangled....do i lose some fish doing it without a net, yes. and never drag the fish out of the water onto the bank, always use one of your hands if not both for support (don't grab) getting it to its spot for the photo in addition to the time out of water issue, i'm also interested to read some real data regarding the issue of lying them on the surface of the grass, rocks or sand damaging their skin, gills, etc. if anyone has any of this information, please post it for us all to be more educated. Last Edited By: solitaryangle 10/29/2009 15:41. Edited 1 time.
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bulldog1935		#75	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7581 10/29/2009 15:38 Bulldog1935	a favorite the rods are never obsolete - the marketing is.
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krautcaster		#76	[url]	[-]
Posts: 163 10/30/2009 12:02	Allthough I didn´t catch one of the REALLY big ones myself this year, the mayfly season on our club water was exiting as ever. It´s weird fishing, as you have to toss LARGE flies from the banks (no wading here - the banks are so steep you´d be gone to your nose on the first step...) and you hardly ever have a chance to keep a good fish away from the weeds once you hooked it. But exiting it is, year after year. One of my favorite rods for the job is my South Creek Ltd. Gierach/Best Special Taper, 8.5ft 5wt. Here it is with the living insect. The following impressions, I have to admit, where not taken this season but the year before. I hope you won´t blame me for posting them under this very headline. A Harms 8´ 5wt. with full intermediates and streamside refreshments, Bavarian style. Both images where taken on the Traun river in Siegsdorf, Germany and frequently make for a screensaver on my office PC. Enjoy! Cheers, Andy
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Sal Fontinalis		#77	[url]	[-]
Posts: 603 11/02/2009 13:46	I was able to fish locally for a few hours this past weekend between my "honey-do" items. The fishing was surprisingly good given the water and weather conditions. As a dry fly purist, I was glad to find plenty of rising fish depsite conditions more suited to nymphing. The rod of choice that day has become one of my all-time favorites. An 8' 3wt Leonard and a 2 3/4" Saracione.....
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Kaneman1		#78	[url]	[-]
Posts: 163 11/02/2009 16:16	Few more pics from this summers trip to Depuy's Spring Creek, both fish released after pic's. Kaneman1
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ibookje		#79	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1647 11/02/2009 16:34	Nice Kaneman!
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paramount		#80	[url]	[-]
Posts: 170 11/02/2009 18:33	A snowy day from January 09. Fishing the Deschutes River with one of my favorite rods, an 8' George Maurer Rocky Mt. Trout Bum with a BWO along for the ride. Bruce
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