Please help identify this Heddon rod???

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Bsting	Please help identify this Heddon rod???		Lead	[-]
Posts: 3 11/02/2009 23:07	Tags : None Hi there. Here is a 8.5 ft Heddon rod with no markings. It has the red/green/yellow wraps which from M. Sinclair's book, could be either a 13 or 22, but the 22 only came in a 9 ft (tips are not broken) and the grip was straight. The 13 from 1932 is a decent choice, but this isnt a cigar grip; is it?? Again, has no markings, but has Heddon stamped on the cap, so definitely an early rod. I show the bag with the old wood block tip protector if that helps at all. Hideous (to me) wrappings, want to change them, but the purist in me holds me back. Any experts out there have any ideas on what rod this is? Thanks in advance.
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reelill		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 257 11/03/2009 00:14	Here is a picture of all the 13s I have had and there isn't a rod with those wraps. I'll check my Sinclairs book. My reference says that the grip would be straight if it were a #22 and the rod would be 9' in length. I feel by looking at the grip that your rod has been rewraped with what ever available silk they had although I have seen this thread on other rods but usually on rods that were kits or refinished. I don't feel Heddon used this thread. My thought is that this rod judging by the shape of the grip and the time period that style reel seat was used is probably an early # 20 that has lost its spots (Markings)?? My opinion. Richard Last Edited By: reelill 11/03/2009 00:29. Edited 1 time.
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Bsting		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4 11/03/2009 10:54	Thanks Richard; an impressive #13 collection I must say...The grip and seat does match a #20 according to Sinclair, so I suspected that. Of course it makes more sense that the wraps would be changed than the grip. It's nice to know what it is not, because I will never know for sure I guess, but picked this one up at a garage sale for $10, who would pass that up??? Appreciate if you could take a look at your Sinclair book and see if you can pin it down. If most of you experts think it is a 20, I'll re-wrap her in the correct colors for that period and be glad I paid only $10 even if I never know for sure. Brian
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bobbeegee		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3194 11/03/2009 11:13	I'll echo that is a beautiful collection of Model 13's Richard! This is a most interesting rod. My guess would also would be a early Model 20. It was definitely a wonderful buy for $10.00! I'm thinking it most probably was re-wrapped early in its life. I can't imagine why? The threads look to be as old as the rod? Hookkeepers were not installed by Heddon until 1930, according to Sinclair's book. The ring keeper on this one looks strange though. No over-wrapping of the winding check either? I don't believe it's a 13 or a 22 though, for the reasons previously stated. It, in my opinion, is a quality Heddon rod. I'm really still puzzled by this one! Bob p.s. The handle is a "bottle half-wells". Last Edited By: bobbeegee 11/03/2009 11:17. Edited 1 time.
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wrong66		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 20 11/03/2009 18:30	I'm going with a 1928-29 Heddon #20. Obviously stripped of markings & rewrapped, with a hook keeper added in the process. The windings on a #22 look nothing at all like the color scheme on yours. Nice find. Mark
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aparramoure		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1769 11/05/2009 08:29	Didn't Heddon make the "Heddon Fly Rod" #8 and wrapped in "rainbow varigated" thread? Course that was '51-'52 so the r/s would be wrong. (?) http://www.bamboorestorations.org
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bobbeegee		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3201 11/05/2009 09:30	Art, I believe the #8 was wrapped with whatever jasper thread Heddon could obtain at the time. Most usually red and white. Of course you are correct as to the reel seat. The #8 was built with the marbleized tenite spacer, according to Michael Sinclair's book. Bob
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nwdlj	ferrules?	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 117 11/06/2009 18:21	what about the rolled ferrules rather than hand welted? ...my Classic Era #14's and above have hand welted ferrules even tho I have seen a late 1920's Model #120 that had bright chromed rolled ferrules...somewhere in the section pile, I have either a Granger or a Heddon with that wrap color scheme...I'll take a look and see if I can dredge it up...dj
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jz2		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 327 11/07/2009 01:23	i'd say #8 - I think the rainbow wraps trump the lack of sdl pryalin seat.
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PaducahMichael		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 813 11/10/2009 23:07	wrong66 wrote: I'm going with a 1928-29 Heddon #20. Obviously stripped of markings & rewrapped, with a hook keeper added in the process. The windings on a #22 look nothing at all like the color scheme on yours. Nice find. Mark We have a Winner! This is a first model #20. It's been refinished and the thread is not as original. And it appears to be nylon, too. This one deserves a full restoration. The ferrules are correct for this model and era. A VERY nice find. (I'll give you $20 for it and you can double your money!) The New Divine Rods
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Flyman615	Rainbow wraps	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3465 11/10/2009 23:22	Far be it from me to comment on the idiosyncrasies of Heddon rods (and Michael definitely knows best), but my Dad's original 8 1/2-ft. Model 8 2F did indeed come with similar "rainbow" hued silk wraps. But when I had the rod refurbished by Doug Merrick at Winston in the early 1970's, he replaced them with lovely translucent antique gold windings tipped dark brown. And as I've said before, it now looks far better than any Model 8 has a right to. Regards, Flyman "There are three things in life that people like to stare at: a flowing stream, a crackling fire and a Zamboni clearing the ice."-Charlie Brown Last Edited By: Flyman615 11/11/2009 19:58. Edited 2 times.
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bobbeegee		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3228 11/12/2009 17:41	I agree with Michael and wrong66. The threads do not appear to be silk. If that is the case the rod has definitely been re-wrapped. Sticking with my #20 assessment. Bob
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Bsting	Thanks for all the feedback	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5 11/13/2009 18:04	Appreciate all the help everyone, thanks again. Looks like most agree it is probably a 20. I got a good deal either way, but the fact it is a 20 is a huge +. Any test (besides expertise) to tell whether the wraps are silk or nylon??? Brian
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freestoner.fiberglassflyro...		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 379 11/16/2009 17:53	I own an 8' 1 3/4F Model 8 with variegated rainbow wraps. Judging from the wraps, ferrules and the reel seat, I don't think the rod pictured at the top is a Model #20. And I've personally never before seen an all-metal sliding band reel seat like that one on any Heddon rod. "I stare into the deepest pool of the river which holds the mystery of a cellar to a child, and think of those two track roads that dwindle into nothing in the forest. I have this feeling of walking around for days with the wind knocked out of me." --Jim Harrison
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bobbeegee		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3252 11/16/2009 18:59	I, personally, have never seen that all metal slide band reel seat either. However, that band was used in the First Era of Heddon rods and could have been used with the all metal. See picture of a First Era Model 14 (from Mike Sinclair's "Heddon" book) with that exact same sliding band. Again, this rod appears to have been rewrapped with nylon threads or something other than silk. In my opinion, it is not a Model 8. Bob
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reelill		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 259 11/17/2009 00:29	I agree with Bob. If you look at the photos I posted earlier with all the differen't 13s you will see that same reel seat on the early 13 with the trout decal. The Rainbow thread looks like the same Rainbow thread I have in my supplys and is a Nylon, not that all of them were, but all the 8s I have seen or owned did not have those wraps nor does any of the written references we have state that Rainbow was the thread used on the # 8s. Richard Last Edited By: reelill 11/17/2009 00:38. Edited 1 time.
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BruceHandley		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1262 02/09/1913 16:58 Crusty Old Fart	Richard, I have a mint, unfished Heddon #8 that is wrapped with rainbow thread (silk). I also have a #13 like the second one down in your post. I'd put up a picture of the #13, but when the Heddon collectors got a look a what I've done to it they would have me kicked off the board. I will say the #13 is a rather nice little trout rod 8 1/2', 3/2. Bruce
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reelill		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 260 11/17/2009 11:27	Bruce, Well, thats what I get for shooting my mouth off. I am wrong it sounds like concerning the #8s since more than one member has had one with those rainbow wraps. But I still don't feel that this rod could be a #8 with that early realseat and grip the #8s came later, but maybe that has allready been mentioned. So Maybe it is an early 20 rewraped with later #8 Silk? The #8 mentioned in the other post in this appraisel section,( I don't know how to add it in or I would) shows a two colored thread that I have seen more often on 8s. Richard
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bobbeegee	Here ya go Richard	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3256 11/17/2009 11:43	Bob
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tedgolden		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3073 11/17/2009 15:07 Moderator	I once did a restoration of a Heddon #11 (curiously a private label rod) which was wrapped like that and had that type of reel seat with the embossed butt cap. It was truly butt ugly.
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bobbeegee		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3259 11/17/2009 18:33	tedgolden wrote: I once did a restoration of a Heddon #11 (curiously a private label rod) which was wrapped like that and had that type of reel seat with the embossed butt cap. It was truly butt ugly. Were the threads silk Drew? Bob Last Edited By: bobbeegee 11/17/2009 18:49. Edited 1 time.
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