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fingernail |
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Anyone spey cast with cane? I've noticed an increase in demand for rods 10ft and longer.
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pcg |
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I do, using a mere 9 1/2-ft cane rod. :-)
My serious Spey rods are all 13-ft +.
One of us is crazy in fishing and forget time.
And the other take part only in the party at night. --Yoshikazu Fujioka |
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fingernail |
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back when Winston's and Paynes in the 10+ range were cheap, I mean cheap I grabbed some but never used them. I'm thinking about trying it out. How do
you like it? Is it something easliy picked up? I know this type of fishing is heating up. I've seen it done but never tried. Any insight would be great!
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Spey Salar |
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You need to be careful with true spey casting and bamboo rods with metal ferrules. They were really not intended for the stresses of spey casting--that's
why Sharpes and others, including Bob Clay today, make their spey rods with spliced ferrules. Spliced ferrules can take the stresses, metal ferrules often
cannot. Most of the metal ferruled long salmon rods were intended as overhead rods.
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pcg |
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With a little instruction, it's fairly easy. And addictive. Why not check out SpeyPages? It's the largest site on the web for Spey enthusiasts. There
are some videos, and discussions about DVDs. Rio puts out a great casting instruction DVD called "RIO's Modern Spey Casting." I highly recommend
it.
Here's the SpeyPage link: http://speypages.com/speyclave/ Pat
One of us is crazy in fishing and forget time.
And the other take part only in the party at night. --Yoshikazu Fujioka |
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fingernail |
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thanks guys!
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fishbum |
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Spey Salar wrote: What happens to metal ferrules while spey casting? Why can't they be designed to withstand the stresses of spey casting? I am getting ready to make a 14' spey rod with metal ferrules. I figure if they are good enough for a Hardy 16' spey rod that uses a 13 weight spey line then they are good enough for me to use for an 8 weight or 9 weight spey rod. I make a 10' 6" two handed rod that use metal ferrules and performs very well. I did have one ferrule fail due to a manufacturing flaw. A little re-design of the ferrule and the manufacturing process will take care of that problem. fishbum |
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pcg |
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Fishbum: It's a bit of a controversy. Some experienced guys will tell you that cane breaks at the ferrule under the high stresses of the Spey cast, others
say "Never." I have a friend who fishes nothing but vintage two-handed Spey cane. I'd personally go for it, presuming you weren't Spey
casting w/ an incredibly rare vintage rod. I fish an 9 1/2' vom Hofe rod that's circa 1928. Spey casting is a blast with this rod... :-)
One of us is crazy in fishing and forget time.
And the other take part only in the party at night. --Yoshikazu Fujioka |
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Marty |
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I took a spey trip to Scotland year before last with 2 old hardy rods with ferrules. They did just fine and show no signs of a problem, although I managed
to hook myself spectacularly. I have discovered some of the spey techniques (snake rolling in particular) can work really well with single handed small rods
in tight places. Just small scale specialized roll casting that can help you hit some spots that are tough and allow no backcast. Its a fun way to augment
the areas you can reach. There are some great videos on youtube that can help you get started.
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Spey Salar |
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By all means, everyone makes their own choices, so if you're comfortable spey casting with metal ferrules, all the power to you. I don't think there
would be a great problem with roll casts, or gentle single or double speys, but if you get into snake rolls, snap T's, etc. etc. I just think you may have
consequences.
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Boo.fiberglassflyro... |
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I've cast spey rods with both spliced ferrules by bob clay and one with metal ferrules by mike brooks. both were very very smooth, slow and just a joy to
cast. if one can get by the looks of the black electrical tape used to keep the spliced spey rod together they're a fine rod. the traditional looking spey
rod with the metal ferrules looks nicer. but, even with graphite spey rods it's recommended that you tape your ferrules to prevent them from twisting and
stressing.
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mer |
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So it sounds like a difference between a more modern style Spey cast vs a traditional Spey Cast is a "make or break" for the metal ferrules on a
bamboo spey rod. If I'm remembering correctly, are the modern styles (snake roll, snap T, etc) better suited to a rod with more of a tip action (or fast
action if you prefer) because of more "speed up and hard stop", but a traditional style single or double uses more of a flowing or continuous rod
movement?
Anyway, I often use a "modfied/bastardized" version of a single handed spey when fishing trout sized rods (4-6 wts, 6 to 8 ft) because it works better for me than a simple roll cast, especially if fishing anything with weight.
There is usually only a limited amount of damage that can be done by dull or stupid people.
For creating a truly monumental disaster, you need people with high IQs. |
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mvbrooks |
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I don't know where the idea that ferrules break or are unduly stressed on spey rods came from, but it simply isn't true. I almost always use metal
ferrules on my spey rods and some of them are quite large -- 13 and 14 footers for lines up to an 11 weight (the one's Boo cast were 13' for 7 weight
and another 13' for an 8 weight line). And I have never had a problem with ferrules breaking or cracking. Now, I love spliced rods, but most people
don't want to go to the trouble to re-tape them every time they go fishing. I think spliced rods, and this is true of trout weight rods, too, feel more
like a one piece rod and are smoother casters. They are miserable beasts to make, though, and, instead of just putting them together and heading for the river
or lake, you have to spend 20 to 30 minutes taping the joints and getting everything "just right" and that tape looks about as bad as tape fixed
horned rimmed glasses on a high school nerd (and...that was me, too).
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16 pmd |
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I've had quite a bit of experience with spey rods, including Bob Clay spliced joint and metal ferruled rods, and have never broken one in casting. That
said, there is a lot more torque in spey casting (including the newer snap-T, snake roll, circle spey etc. casts) than in overhead casting because the rod
doesn't move just in a single plane back-and-forth motion, but involves a turning or twisting motion to change the direction of the line from dangling
downstream to being cast across stream. Even graphite users commonly tape or at least wax ferrules to keep them from loosening from repeated casting because
ferrules that work partially apart are a common cause of breakage - graphite or bamboo. In a day of fishing I would tape metal ferrules on a bamboo rod to make
sure they didn't loosen. I'm not sure what older spey rod makers did to make sure the metal ferrules didn't come loose from the wood, but I suppose
pinning them was one measure they took. Hardy's locking ferrules were used to keep them from coming apart from each other, but does show that torque was a
concern. The old American two-hand makers like Payne, Leonard, Thomas, etc. didn't have to be as concerned because their rods were basically used in
overhead casting, as speycasting was pretty much not done here during their time.
Taping spliced joints IS a pain, but it doesn't take more than 10 minutes (and usually less) once you get the hang of it. Bob Clay includes a roll of clear, thick tape that makes a nice looking connection and Per Brandin supplies a brownish tape that looks OK too. Taping is one reason why you see spey guys with those rooftop rod racks on their vehicles so they don't have to disassemble their taped rods when moving from place to place. I tape all ferrules when spey fishing with graphite or bamboo. If I were a maker, I'd do whatever it takes to make extra sure that the ferrules were bonded to the wood because there is definitely extra stress. |
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Cadnorods |
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16 pmd mentioned the Hardy 'Lockfast' ferrules...as I understand it, that 'torque' effect was the reason Hardy changed the thread direction
from left- to right-hand (or the other way round?) sometime early on in the last century. It was noticed that continued casting undid the joint.
I use a 12' Hardy Hollolite, and a 14' Hardy 'Gold Medal' for spey casting, and it's just a slooooooow cast.....difficult to do a 'snap stop' as the tip just keeps going over by itself! And I do tape the joints with electrical tape,,,just in case.... I've just laid my hands on a 15' 3/2 JJS Walker Bampton salmon rod with spiked lockfast ferrules, almost certainly Hardy made, that I will be restoring this winter and hopefully fishing next season...something to hang my 4 1/4" Digley Perfect on...should balance it nicely! Stuart
Last Edited By: Cadnorods 11/13/2009 05:27.
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FlyfisherX |
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I started spey casting on graphite 12' 6" + rods. I find it very useful on single handed rods to get the line out when there is not a lot of room.
Definately a great technique to learn and it opens up lots of new fishing spots. I have done it with a Winston bamboo rod as well without adverse effects so
far.
Andreas |
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