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Bob, I see your point. You know where I live and you're correct, I could fish out the season and stay in my home state. In the past I've always thought
that the money spent , where ever, went to the fishery. When the increase goes to the states general fund, well that sucks. We (N.Y. state) are having the
same problem with this general fund thing and it could get worse.
It would look like I hadn't thought this problem thru, I stand corrected. My other point still stands however. Have a great day, what did you ever do with
those 2 books??
Bruce
Montana Black Angus of course. I like it two ways: 1 - medium with a tinge of pink. Or: 2 - hit it in the head, wipe its @$$, and pass the Heinz 57 while
you're at it.
I still have the books but will be putting them out there soon. I saw this past week that the regular jacket-covered version of one of them went for a
princely sum on the 'bay... definitely confirms my thinking on the pristine, slip-cased version that I have. No beefs with that!
Bruce, et, al., in agreement with his post suggesting that I not fish in Pennsylvania if I don't like the cost ($63) of a non resident license. Well, the
really good fishing opportunities for me here in Maryland where I live within two hours drive are severely limited. Granted there are a few nice
streams...Hunting Creek, the Gun Powder, and Beaver (which I really don't like) Creek, and a few Brookie streams. Other than those, its western
Maryland...too far for a single day trip. So what's left, maybe Virginia, West Virginia, or Pennsylvania? Should I buy Non resident licenses for all
three? The issue is something like the situation in New England, except the distances are much longer here.
So I'll settle for Pennsylvania. I like fishing there and I won't quit because of the cost.
BTW, as far as I've noticed, no state gives seniors a beak on short term licenses, resident or non resident.
My beef is that my father didn't buy a nice stretch on a great trout stream some where so that one of his favorite sons could just walk out and fish and
pray! But then I guess my boys could pick up on that one because I haven't done the same I guess! In reality, I am already blessed in the fact that this
planet still has great waters we all can walk out onto if we just get out of the chair. In five years I will be standing at my cabin door in the North
Cascades watching two foot of snow put a quiet blanket on the world in front of me. I have some wonderful bamboos that will be in the closet just waiting for
a chance to bring me closer to the craftsmen that built them, and also spark a light of thrill in my grand kids and my youngest son who shares my enjoyment of
fly fishing.
The last year that Colorado sold their senior Lifetime fishing license I was working in a Fly shop in Grand Jct and had the great pleasure of selling my Dad
his for a whopping $2.00. They do not sell that license any more but a senior license in Colorado is now an annual $1.00.
Jeff
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I have lots of beefs, but fishing license fees are not among them. I live in NY but I travel a lot because I have a farflung family, and I fish in a dozen
or so states. My opinion is that if I don't live in a state and pay its taxes, it would be unfair for its citizens to subsidize my fishing, so I should pay
more. I fish mostly in New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Colorado, Florida and Kansas. I fish occasionally in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania,
Tennessee, Georgia, Missouri and Montana. I have my eyes on West Virginia and Utah.
I don't like to spend extra money, but if I am fishing in your water, wouldn't you want me to have to pay extra? If I don't pay for it, who
will?
I don't want a federal licensing system. I do want a federalist system, which means it is left to the states. Licensing authority means regulating
authority. For lots of things, national regulation is a good idea. For trout fishing, it's not.
Well said Teter, I don't entirely disagree, as far as the national license is concerned. But many of the states have licensing policies aimed at gauging
non residents, not just making them pay a reasonable amount extra. While I agree with the concept of reciprocity, the amounts involved are outragous,
especially in regard to the time spans of the licenses. Few of us purchasing non resident licenses will actualy get the full use of such licenses, and the
states know it. Short term licensing costs and policies are aimed at getting the non resident purchaser to opt for a full year rather than two short term
licenses. A common phrase from the lips of a clerk selling me a license is " you might as well buy a full year's license". I 've heard it
again and again. And Teter don't think for one moment state licensing policies and costs are aimed at preserving the resource for its own residents. To the
contrary, the objective is maximizing income for the benefit of state government bureaucratic structure.
To my way of thinking the states have corrupted the concept of reciprocity. Its a win, win for the states and a lose, lose for the non residents. Ask yourself
this question...If state A's cost is outrageous, how does that justify state B's cost being outrageous?
My beef? I live in NC and fish in Tennessee. $85.00 a year every Feb. I don't mind paying the money, however It would be nice if a warden would show his
face every now and then to keep folks from trout fishing with a cattle prod and harvesting fish that are illegal. After all, isn't the licence fee
supposed to pay the salary of the officers?
Aaron, you're not alone. I've fished all over New England & New York & for the last 25 years, I've seen lots of violations--some
heartbreaking--and I've never seen a warden. That's an emphatic never.
There have been instances when I've called a local warden and said, "XYZ is happening. Get down here quick!" No one arrives. For many states, a
fishing license is simply another tax. We do not pay for service. The bureaucratic analysis is, "How much more can we charge w/o losing a significant
number of our licensees?"
One of us is crazy in fishing and forget time.
And the other take part only in the party at night.
--Yoshikazu Fujioka
Florida has one of the more enlightened fishing license programs in the US. Might well be a good model for other states to emulate. First, all the license
revenues go to the DNR for use in funding their programs including research, education and enforcement, meaning no general funds factor and "hands
off" to the state politicians. Saltwater fishing from shore or structures attached to shore is free for residents and nonresidents as is fishing from the
boat of a licensed charter captain. Fishing from shore with a canepole in freshwater is free to residents when fishing in their home county. Annual licenses
for residents and nonresidents are reasonable in cost and can be purchased for either fresh or saltwater or as a combination. We also have short term licenses
available, a 5 year license, a lifetime license and an "over 65" discount(or free, I don't recall for sure).
When I travel out of state to fish I usually buy an annual nonresident license plus whatever "stamps" are needed. I'll probably only use that
license for 7-10 days but I still think I'm getting a great deal for the money as well as pulling my weight supporting that state's conservation
efforts. I'll also make donations to any local conservation programs in the areas I visit, for the same reason. Most of us know that the areas we visit to
fish tend to be pretty low income. Anything sportsmen can do to help those folks economically may increase their ability to protect their local environment. A
viable "Mom & Pop" scale tourism based economy seems a nice alternative to some of the other paths possible.
My beef is people who gripe about problems but don't do anything to solve them. Andy is A.O.K. in my book 'cause I've seen photos of him working up
a sweat planting trees to enhance a watershed. Seems like the vast majority of the people here at Clark's are of the same type, Doers rather than Whiners.
Pretty good company if you ask me.
Ken
If Mistakes are the Wellspring of Wisdom how come I ain't Solomon?
Resident fishing licenses in Alaska are pretty reasonable at $24 per year. Residents 60 and older do not need a fishing license. They get a free permanent
identification card which is a lifetime hunting, fishing, and trapping license.
They stick it to non-residents. A 7 day non-resident costs $55 and an annual license costs $145. And if you want to fish king salmon you have to buy a stamp
that costs $30 for seven days or $100 for an annual stamp. The resident king salmon stamp costs $10.
They raised the license fees a few years ago. Two new fish hatcheries are being built and a surcharge on license fees are funding them. They raised the
resident license fees a little, but the non-resident fees were raised much more. When those hatchery bonds are paid off they are suppose to reduce the license
fees. I did a little research and in 2008 162,166 resident licenses that included fishing were sold while 295,398 non-resident licenses were sold.
I spend many days out fishing in the summer. I had gone several years without having a fish and wildlife officer check my license. But this year I was
checked three times. One time I was even called in to shore when I was pontoon boat fishing on a lake. I must admit that the troopers were very professional
and friendly. I had very good chats about fishing with two of them. The other one had many fisherman to check so he was a little busy. With the two that I
had long talks with, they didn't come across as cops trying to write a ticket. They just seemed to be trying to protect the resource.
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