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canetuck |
First bamboo rod for my nine year old son |
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What suggestions are there for a first rod for my nine year old son.He's tall for his age.Wanting something in the 4-5 weight range.What length,taper would
you suggest?Something user friendly for the small guy,fishing for sunfish and small to med. trout streams.
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Marty |
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My nephew is just starting to fish with me a bit........a small popper and dropper for bream and little bass at the harpeth or local small quarry lake.
Granger 7030 4 wt handles fairly small poppers pretty well. I have 3 of them and he uses the 2/1 that was in rough shape and re-done so no big loss if we
have an oops... light easy to cast. I'm not a fan of having a youngster using a super cheap rod / poor taper. You want something that its not too big a
deal if he breaks it but a good enough one that the casting he learns now won't be hampered by a rod that's hard to cast well. I'd suggest 7 or
7 1/2 for the weight but there are lots of nice tapers out there. I started fly fishing with my dad about that age and those memories are some of my best
ones.
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Alaric11 |
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I simply gave each of my sons one of my well beaten Orvis Superfine's which are about 15 years old. These have the twin virtues of being full flexing and
of little value. My boys are 11 and 13 now and (speaking only of them) not really ready for or deserving of a bamboo rod (I happily let them use mine if
I'm on a three 'man' 1 rod hike). If I needed to buy a new rod I would probably look for a glass one, ---old fashioned, user friendly, action and
indestructable. IMO, a child should demonstrate passion and proficiency before getting something so valuable, and special. Just as I wouldn't buy a horse
for a child just about to embark on ridng lessons (I might do it if they had displayed an all consumming passion for 5 years). My sons enjoy the odd fly
fishing day with their father---BUT the patience and skill doesn't keep their attention for too long (2 hours?)----then the day becomes splashing around
in the water, skimimg stones, catching frogs etc---so a used rod is fine. This is just my take--- no reason others can't view the matter differently.
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DrakeBob |
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Over the years I've taught a lot of kids, including my own, to cast and fish in both
formal and informal settings and for what it's worth, here's my two cents on the topic. I'll speak in
generalities, there are always exceptions to the rule depending on the child and whether or not they've had any prior exposure and experience.
Piscator Non Solum Piscatur
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bobbeegee |
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Bob and Alaric have offered some great advice, in my opinion.
I've tried to get the grandkids interested in fly flishing but they won't leave the Xbox 360 or Nintendo DSi long enough!!! bobbyg
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levertonhatches |
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Some years ago this issue came up on one of the builders' sites, and a number of replies suggested the Sir D taper in 4 wt (I don't think it matters
that the child in that case was a daughter).
Putting cane aside, were I in your position, and selecting from my own tackle cupboard, I'd probably start a youngster off on one of the old short lightweight Orvis Superfines. They are very light in the hand and user-friendly tapers. At a later age I started two teenagers (and a couple of adults) off on the 7-9 Far and Fine Superfine and that worked nicely. Have fun! |
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bamboorods |
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Started my 10 year old grandson off with a P. Young Driggs. He's 14 now and has been with us for two trips to Alaska.
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Bill Lambot |
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Canetuck,
My suggestion is that the first fly rod be an inexpensive graphite, or better yet, if you can one, a fiberglass rod that is 7'6", 7'9" or 8' long that throws a #6 or #5 DT floating line. This is a user friendly and accessible outfit. Fit it with a 7.5' knot-less leader and a yarn fly for practice. No flies with hooks until he has made a hundred casts. Teach him a simple, traditional, 4 count cast to a hula hoop at 30' on the lawn. Learning on the lawn will be much more manageable that learning stream-side. Most importantly: be insistent that he always wear a hat and glasses. On another day teach him a simple roll cast. The longer rods, the longer casts and the heavier bamboo rods can come after he establishes basic competency. Remember that catching fish is important to a beginner. I hope it all goes well for both of you. Good luck. Best regards, Bill Lambot |
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Alaric11 |
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I did use the word "deserve" as Drakebob pointed out. It has an ugly connotation (its normal one) that shows that I chose the word poorly. Let me
explain. I think we live in a world where far too many children are overindulged and "spoiled." I feel that I have a duty to raise children who have
a realistic view of the world so that they can function productively and morally in it when they are adults and I am gone (ie---they aren't the center of
the universe; they need to respect others, be civil, and earn finer things through some display of passion, interest, or hard work). I never skimp with regard
to my children's education or travels----I want them to learn---and on trips to get the best possible experience (really immersed in a culture---not
Disneyland). So, they do deserve and get fine and excellent things when those serve to educate, cultivate and enrich their lives. So, what I meant to say was I
want them to appreciate what a bamboo rod is and to realize that beginners start with ordinary things and work up to fine ones---as I started with some reel,
rod, combo hardware store rod at 13. This does not mean I think they should earn the money for each item. If one of my sons fell in love with golf, or fly
fishing, or horses, or France, etc----I would reward this effort and passion with a "fine thing" of the appropriate kind (with some limits --ie a
Berretta shotgun but not a brace of Holland and Hollands.) Anyway, my kids (3 a daughter also) are the greatest thing that has happened in my life---so I hope
for happiness for them and that they will live their lives well----often inculcating virtuous habits in them requires that I not overindulge them.
"Deserve" was not a great word choice---but you get what I mean.
PS---Nothing wrong with bamboo per se. If one has a huge collection, or granddad's rod gathering dust in an attic---why not? I just would buy a $1500 rod as a starter---not from cheapness---but for the reasons stated above.
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Eric Peper |
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I've worked with a lot of kids from age 7 on (3 of my own and 8 grandchildren), and my answer to "First bamboo rod for a 9 year old?" is
"None!" simply because kids at that age do goofy things in the blink of an eye. The other reason is that having fallen victim to the "short
rod/light line" temptation (by letting them use a little Orvis 5'9" bamboo), I ultimately found that a little kid (7 or
Just my opinion . . . YMMV EP |
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Eperous |
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Eric Peper wrote:I agree with Eric, get a decent graphite rod and help your son truly enjoy fly fishing. When his passion for this pastime grows, then consider investing in a cane rod. That said, right now cultivate his love of rivers, the outdoors, and fly fishing. I've helped raise two sons - one successful into fly fishing, and his son, our grandson. Simply some food for thought as I'm not sure who will be disappointed more if the cane rod doesn't work out, your son or you --- and you have a life time to work on this. Ed |
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retrotrout |
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My nine-year old grandson is a terrific human being, and I love him dearly, but he throws his body around without regard for his health, throws his belongings
around without thought to their worth, and launches bluegills into the air with his 12' cane pole. I would no more put a bamboo fly rod in his hand than
give him the keys to my car! I have a 50-year old Shakespeare 2.5 oz 6.5' flyrod that he can use, when I'm around to see that he uses it correctly. I
hope he enjoys fly fishing, but my sons don't, and I'm certainly not going to put a valuable bamboo rod into the hand of a pure beginner.
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cecolefly |
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My grandaughter s first rod is a 5ft6inch rod that i made from some old mdiscarded strips, has a small rattan handle wrapped in green silk, trows a 3wt very
good. this rod is especially good in small pons and streams. She has not used it yet waiting til she turns four in may.
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PYochim |
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This could work to your advantage. Buy what you would normally buy for yourself because you may eventually end up with the rod. Your kid will lose interest
and regain it at an age where he will then appreciate the rod. Kids at this age are into instant gratification. A few hours later, the thrill of fishing has
worn off and it's back to catching frogs, lizards and other things that have been pointed out earlier. Then they become interested in girls. It's not
until they are in their mid to late teens until they want to do things with their "old man" again.
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shakeylee |
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for a nine year old i'd suggest the yellow fiberglass eagle claws.they're about $20.
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peacefisher |
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7 1/2' #4/5 Graphite. Long enough to be forgiving/short enough for his wrist. You probably can get one for $50.
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canetuck |
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Thanks for all the advice.My son is more of the rock skipping,frog catching kind.I am not going to force him to fly fish ,but would like to introduce him to
something that I have enjoyed since I was sixteen.I wasn't much into fishing until i picked a fly rod, a Martin fiberglass 8' with a foam grip that I
caught hundreds of rainbow trout while living in British Columbia for a few years.Chucking chicken liver in a muddy river for catfish has never appealed to
me.I think I will start him out on a Fenwick glass rod paired with an old Medalist.Better than what I had starting out.When he can cast decent and still shows
an interest in cane I'd be glad to give him his first cane rod.I don't think he can appreciate a cane rod yet.Thanks again for all the level headed
advice.The important thing is spending time with him even if our fishing trips end up in more goofing off than fishing.
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matsoberg |
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That´s wonderful canetuck. It´s most certain the way you say, you little boy not being able to appreciate a bamboo rod yet, but I think that if he was to
recieve one and get into fishing with it later on he would most likely se that stick as the thing that made him a fisherman. It will be his rod.
I´m saying that because I have first hand experience. The very first bamboo rod I made I gave to my beloved son. He was somewhat older than your son at the time and he wasn´t really that interested in fishing. But as the years went by he caught more and more on it, developing into quite a good caster also. He says that rod is one of his most treasured items and it warms my soul. And not only did I get my son as a fishing buddy, he has also developed an interest in rodmaking himself and now we even spend time in the shop together. I´m sure you will make the right decision. Mats |
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Eperous |
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canetuck wrote:Let me offer you a word of advice or two, that I learned from helping to raise 4 children of our own and working with 5 grandchildren with another on the way. It's not what you fish with, it's how you fish. You know your son, "rock skipping, frog catching kind". Kids like to have FUN, all kids, at any age. When you fish together, leave your stuff at home; make it special for him. I tried devoting my time seeing my kids/grandchildren were having fun - whether catching fish, flipping rocks, or eating a candy bar along the bank of some waterway. They WILL grow into fishing if they have fun. Plus kids like to catch FISH, though they don't know much about fishing in the beginning. And, they don't seem to much mind if they are pretty brookies, feisty rainbows, or little sunfish that wiggle and you can admire-talk about. When they stop having fun on any particular outing, the outing is probably done for the day. You nailed it in your last sentence above, let that guide you and you won't be disappointed in the long haul. On last word of advice, enjoy your children now --- as they grow fast. Ed |
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wb4tjh |
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I would start them out with a good fiberglass rod, and when their proficiency level reaches a certain stage of development, I would gift them a nice bamboo;
sort of a "rite of passage". What that level of proficiency is would be up to you to determine.
Bill Anderson, SW Missouri |
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