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Not sure if this is the appropriate venue for this question? Anyway.......
I see several rods, reels, etc. for sale here with the proviso..."Paypal only" accepted in payment.
Might I ask why? Is a USPS money order not any good any more? Is a personal check, with the understanding that you wait until it clears, not any good any more?
If you make a check or money order payment and get scammed or the item is not what it was said to be the only recourse is to get a lawyer and sue the miscreant or file fraud charges. etc.... When paying with PayPal you can dispute the transaction and have rights and after investigation if you are in the right paypal will reverse the transaction and refund your money. As a seller if you use paypal to generate the usps label you have 100% proof of delivery tied to the sale that bypasses the occasional "I never got it" claims that some buyers make. Paypal also makes it impossible for a seller to ignore your email... when you file an official dispute via their system a seller has a finite time in which to respond. If I were purchasing an item from a board member I did not know (or one without lots of history here) I would likely not buy the item if I couldn't do paypal I feel it makes for a safer and more transparent transaction. Paypal has saved me on a reel that had been faked and I did not catch it in the pics and a rod that was "mint" that had been faked from a lesser grade in a re-finish (not here btw) So for me I far and away prefer Paypal. YMMV
Could be convenience. Not everyone
wants to have to go to the bank to make a deposit. My bank is not that close to
me, and I can find it hard to get there with my schedule at times. It's also faster to get the funds and transer them. Marty makes very valid points as well.
Robert.
"Some paths are best not taken alone"
John W. Barfield
Bob, I still take MO and personal checks when I sell stuff.In fact since pay=pal instituted their new policy where they can hold your money for up to 21 days I actually prefer NOT to use pay pal.In the case of yabe they will release the money as soon as a positive feedback is posted. Otherwise they stated they have to verify that said item has been delivered.Personally I see it as a ploy by greedy bastards to earn interest for as long as possible off MY MONEY ! Will
Well hell, I'm still befuddled by this. I have always taken a USPS money order or a personal check with the understanding (if I don't know the buyer) that I will wait to ship until the check has cleared. Does this not apply to both parties? I've never bought anything where the buyer would not sell the item unless I used Paypal and I don't intend to! Screw that!
Bob
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Bob, I'm with you on this. I understand that Paypal is easier for a lot of people, but if they really can hold onto the money for up to 21 days, heck a money order/personal check/bank check works out quicker. Priority mail to get it there in 2 days, most banks will clear it in 3 working days (which is another farce; if banks can lend money overnight, why 3 days for a check to clear?), give it a 7 day turnaround to get the item shipped. But some people can't wait that long. So I can honestly say that I have not used PayPal to buy anything, actually got into a "discussion" about it elsewhere (seller did not say Paypal only in his listing, I asked "take a personal check, you can wait until it clears prior to shipping?", he insisted I use Paypal, "Nope, you can keep the item"). I also see it as useful if one is doing a lot of international transactions.
Just my opinions, as stated previously if one disagrees or thinks I'm FOS, then just ignore anything I have to say...
I deal with fraud in my work at times, and anything can be not what it seems, including USPS postal orders. I'm not really sure any way is really safer.
One other thing to remember is that many of us do not want someone else to know our personal information. That check gives someone else the ability to create a fraud by creating a false identity and issue hot checks and perpetuate other crimes in your name. I personally will only issue a personal check to someone I've done business with for quite some time, if they don't want Paypal, then I'll do a money order. It's sad that you have to think about that, but that is how the world is. Small dollar crimes do not get attention from DA's, and you will often spend the time, money (legal) and effort to deal with it. If someone commits a crime in your name, you could end up in jail until you can bond out or prove that it's not you that committed the frauds.
I've never seen paypal hold money for 21 days. If the bank suspects something, they'll hold it longer as well.
Paypall is also an ebay company
Robert.
"Some paths are best not taken alone"
John W. Barfield
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There may not be an internet forum that supports commerce that hasn't had this discussion come up on a regular basis.
Paypal is a necessary evil for some sellers, particularly if they do any volume of business. It greatly enhances the processing speed of a sale and provides insurance for the buyer, archives for the seller, and a convenient means for invoicing. My bank (credit union, actually) holds MO's for 45 days, thanks to HP printers. Checks are cleared faster by law, but neither can compete with the instantaneous transaction that PP offers. An ebay lot I won last week was paid for at 6PM and the item was in my hands less than 48 hours later. The seller had 46 lots close the same night. Undoubtedly, the logistics of processing that many were smoothed considerably by the use of PP. Stagger the receipt of payment from 46 customers and you run into a bumper-to-bumper crawl. Checks and MO's are sometimes accompanied by different ship-to addresses ('I'm shipping this to my brother') so you have to wait until they arrive before addressing the package. A post office run for us is anywhere from 30-60 minutes, depending on the weather and the holiday season, a bank run being a modest 15 minutes. No one wants to do that every day. When I still had a job it was a genuine stress inducer to deal with frequent PO runs.
So, it would seem I've built my argument around the needs of someone who sells a lot of things but as a buyer I could not ask for a more convenient system to process a transaction. For international purchases they are a necessity. Cathie checked at all four of the nearest banks located at an intersection one mile from our house one day, and not one of them carries international MO's. Buying from a seller in Asia? The only way to fly now is PP; buy an item from China and it can be in your hands in as little as 3 or 4 days with PP.
For a really casual sale, the check or MO may still have a place but many of the arguments against the use of PP are similar to arguments we used to read about the use of credit cards (not that the credit card systems are bulletproof anymore). Thus far PP has proven itself to be far more secure and enormously important as a timesaver. If your seller requests PP payment, he may be selling to 10 other people as well and he's looking for a way to save on gas.
Yes, PP profits from the float but it takes volume to make it pay off for them. (Yeah, I guess we can say they've got their volume these days.) But the banking system was already doing that long before PP came along. No law I'm aware of says that transactions that speed up processing between banks has to pass that savings in time on to the customers. AFAIK, only the banks themselves have really profited from regulations stipulating greater expedience in processing interstate checks.
Yes, PP can restrict withdrawals of your funds under some conditions. That hasn't happened to me yet, and I've used it for 10 years so it's been a non-issue so far.
If a potential customer asks to use an MO or check, I will accept it as a courtesy. We can account for over 2000 buying and selling transactions on ebay and perhaps another 500 off ebay. If everyone had to use MO's and checks I would simply stop selling my stuff.
Whatever to the good ole green stuff?
Pay me how you want, I'll ship it when the check clears.
PayPal, if they hold your money for more then a few days, send them a nasty gram asking for interest they escrowed.
PayPal is convenient, although their fees suck, but then everyone needs to make a buck somehow.
While everyone posting offered interesting theories, only I can give you the definitive, straight scoop, which I'll be glad to do for a mere $19.95 including shipping and handling. Paypal only.
While everyone posting offered interesting theories, only I can give you the definitive, straight scoop, which I'll be glad to do for a mere $19.95 including shipping and handling. Paypal only.
But wait! There's more. If you order before midnight tonight...
And if you order in the next five minutes, he'll explain it twice.
Compared to what my bank and my credit card company do to me, I can't get too fussed about PayPal. I sold hundreds of dollars' worth of fishing books to an Australian buyer. We used Paypal and boom! it's done. I sent the books, USPS and the Australian post did their job, and it was almost as easy as selling the books to the guy living next door. Well worth it.
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How are the sellers here complying with PayPal credit card payment
shipping requirements (online trackable with proof of delivery)
for international shipments?
here is another slant! i recently made 3x paypal payments,two for ebay related items and one to a forum member.well i received a receipt for the first two and the final bounced back.after explaining to vendor that i am now a little nervous in sending$$$into cyberspace i will send a m.o.!my bank looped all my acct. related cards telling me that somehow i had been compromised and issued new ones after i had proven i was !who i said i was!bottom line,have as yet not had a problem with ebay related paypal transactions but be careful when outside their durisdiction.there are too many scams going on within the internet.
Creaky (and others), The 21 day hold is not a common occurance BUT one that could happen.It was stated in the email they sent to customers. A lot of it happens to be dependent on your track record.My point is that it could happen.Considering the economy,a lot of things are being sold because people have to raise cash to meet bills.Let's say that a person sells a bamboo rod to meet their mortgage payment.It doesn't take the PO priority mail more than 2-3 days to deliver and a 3 day inspection is granted ergo the money should be available 6 days minimum.If there is no inspection period granted and a signature on delivery has been noted the money should be available as soon as the item is signed for.If not the seller could miss their mortgage payment.The major disagrrement that I have with this policy is that it is at the mercy and the whim of pay-pal.Someone not doing their job in an expedient manner cold throw a snafu into the mix or pay-pal could just abuse the policy in order to raise extra capitol via the interest they earn on your/my money.Considering that these things can and do happen and the fact that pay-pal has a stranglehold monopoly on this type of procedure is where my beef is.
A good reason to use pay pal. I just received a reel with a cut down foot, which wasn't noted in the description. Contacted the seller and received a full refund within about 15 minutes. Had the problem with the foot been noted I wouldn't have bid in the first place. Bruce
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