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Klinkhamer hooks -- first time look
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 cdmoore |
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Posts: 3327 01/28/2010 16:48
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"If you finish in 7 days, I'll pay you for 10. If you finish in 10 days, I'll pay you for 7." ~Ballykissangel
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moregrayling |
whip finishing tool / reversed paras | #22 | ||
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Posts: 556 01/29/2010 01:36 |
cdmoore wrote:off to work in a second, but will snap a few pics of the whip finishing tool and post tonight. regarding the roy christie reversed paraduns, I did face the same problems when using neck hackle. works fine for me when using saddle, but I havent looked into that too deeply, so could be that my dun saddle just has soft stems. best christian
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moregrayling |
whip finishing tool as requested | #23 | ||
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Posts: 557 01/29/2010 13:05 |
chris,
ruler is cm. the black ball turns freely on the shaft; you keep the ball in your palm and turn the shaft by gripping the knurled area. works a treat. best C  
them 'at knows nowt, fears nowt
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Posts: 186 01/30/2010 03:10 |
moregrayling wrote: In San Francisco we have the Matarelli Extended Reach whip finisher...I guess they're available everywhere. |
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Posts: 3 02/05/2010 05:19 |
Hi,
big kudos to Chrstian for teaching me Klinkhåmer some years ago. I use a Marc Petitjean whip finisher, which helps with big loops whips as well. Regards the Partridge 15BN or 15BNX - the hook is about 2 sizes bigger than "normal". I think point behind that decision was that this pattern is often tied too small. If you look at the emerging insect you may recognise that due to the trailing shuck the whole is almost twice as big as the actual insect. The empty outer scelleton is as big as the nymph and so is the fly above the surface. In my mind a good way to imitate this reatio is a parachute with a long tail ... aka Adamas parachute with Grizzly Hackle as tail, or with a pretty long hook. The longer hook has the advatange of sinking into the film. The submergerged part reflects in the water film, which acts a as mirror. So for the fish this "V", even seen from quite a distance, seems quite a motivator for a longer travel to a snack. Regards hooks - I have switched to Mustad Signature Series fly hooks, and use the C53S http://www.mustad.no/catalog/emea/product.php?id=183 for the Klinkhåmer. Main reason was availability. I am very happy with the quality Mustad products. They actually manufacture both brands, just that the distribution of Partridge is handled by a british company. cheers, Thomas
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moregrayling |
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Posts: 560 02/05/2010 05:47 |
Hej Zülli, Best B.T.W.: Link doesn't work, at least for me...
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Posts: 4 02/05/2010 05:59 |
moregrayling wrote:Hi, jepp. I live in Oslo now. Norway is very nice. Lots of fishing around. You must come here .... Ryanair does Oslo from Ddorf for almost no money. (20 to 100 euros return). I got to now a bamboo rod maker in Elverum. His name is Vidar Steimler. Have you heard of him? Cheers, Thomas P.S. - link is fixed
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moregrayling |
vidar steimler | #28 | ||
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Posts: 561 02/05/2010 06:40 |
tz wrote:
re. mustad hooks: do you heat them before bending? bending cold? best C
them 'at knows nowt, fears nowt
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tz |
bending hooks | #29 | ||
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Posts: 5 02/05/2010 09:04 |
Hi,
I am happy with the shape of the Mustad C53S. It does not need bending. However, should I feel the need to bend a hook I do it by hand without pliers just over the thumbnail. Heating is less than ideal as one alters the material substantially. Mustad (and other manufacturers) spend an enourmous effort on tempering the hooks right. It feels wrong to play around with it. Cold forming does not harm though. Doing it over the thumbnail (or another softer material like wood or using totally round pliers for example) prevents sharp cuts and and edges. Right now I am filling an order for Hares Hair Klinkhåmer in size 14 on that Mustad hook. The wing is snowshoe rabbit, dubbing hares underfur and the hackle is hares guard hair, thorax black antron (orvis - it has nice red hue to it). I took one of them for a swim a took a pic to who you how it looks in situ. The bend the hook, no bend discussion is maybe more for the fishermens eye.  erm ... how do I make this image visable in the forum? .... can´t find the normal buttons for this type of job ... Cheers, Thomas
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Posts: 3380 02/05/2010 09:24 |
Thomas, nice picture, good looking fly the way it sits in the water.
Try editing the post and in front of the URL for it put "[ IMG ]" and then follow it with "[ /IMG ]" just delete the spaces between the [ and the I and the G and the ] and the [ and the /
Just my opinions, as stated previously if one disagrees or thinks I'm FOS, then just ignore anything I have to say...
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Posts: 6 02/05/2010 09:55 |
thanks, I had tried image tags before, but it didn´t work for some obscure reason. Anyway - this time it did.
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Posts: 1103 02/05/2010 11:29 |
Would a trailing shuck of a few Z-lon fibres improve the fishability of this fly?
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Posts: 7 02/05/2010 12:02 |
PYochim wrote:Hi, depends on what fishes you fish. For grayling I wouldn´t use it as they tend to "push" tailed flies away during the take. They have a "bottom feeder mouth" so the upper lip is sort of in the way when taking a fly. Such a tail would also prevent the the proper "entry" of the hook bend part into the film. What is not so good to see on that picture above (if at all) is how well the hares hair hackle part plus the wing imitates legs and the emerging insect. The hook is long enough for a good mirror image. Again, it the hook is riding to close to the film / mirror the main trigger is not there, no matter how "long" or precise the trailing shuck is. Emergance is a continuous process with the imago /subimago wiggling itself out of the old clothing. In my mind this tiny movement of legs and "oh shit I need to get out here" impression is in focus, not the soon lost old pair of trousers.  Cheers, Thomas
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Posts: 8 02/05/2010 12:15 |
Here is two more pitures of a similar pattern, but tied on a Parridge 15BNX - KLINHÅMER EXTREME HOOK - not much of a difference in water really, just that a few claim it doesn´t hook as well as the un-bent version ... another difference in appearance is caused by floatants. I often use dry shake to dry a fly. Sometimes it catches better after - sometimes not. I was guess it has to do with the light, so I took some pics to see what happens.
The dubbing used on this one is synthetic. The first pic above is with hare underfur as dubbing. It seems to have similar appearance without floatant as synthetic with. Due to it´s finer structure it catches air mechanically. If desired such effect must be added to some synthetics. without dry shake  with dry shake 
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Posts: 562 02/06/2010 05:41 |
tz wrote:zülli,PYochim wrote: I guess that shitloads of grayling caught by the fly below just didn't know that they were supposed to push away the bugs with their bottom feeding mouths... but who am I to question the expert wisdom of somebody teaching fly fishing and fly dressing?! best C 
them 'at knows nowt, fears nowt
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Posts: 9 02/06/2010 10:04 |
exactly .... it is not about catching loads - it is about having the right explanations and excuses why not .....
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Posts: 3381 02/06/2010 18:01 |
Christian, Thomas:
I believe I can help solve your trailing shuck issue. Different hook so it doesn't get in the way of the grayling's upper lip 
Just my opinions, as stated previously if one disagrees or thinks I'm FOS, then just ignore anything I have to say...
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Posts: 563 02/07/2010 05:25 |
mer wrote:I think it's rather a case of another of the myths about grayling that are told an retold by generation of anglers. another one is: grayling have small mouths, so you want to use smal flies only for grayling utter tosh, we regularly catch them with bloodworm-imitations on size 4 and 2 shrimp-hooks. as for the different shape of hooks, I feel that this can not be the an explanation here because the crippled emerger pattern shown has the pheasant-tail abdomen ribbed with fine copper wire and thus fishes with the but well below the surface; the fly hangs on the (greased) wing and hackle in the surface film. best christian
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Posts: 12 02/07/2010 06:17 |
Fish is not fish, and water is not ... that is the main point. I have seen Grayling that where almost unspookable and some that stopped feeding and escaped with the slightest hint of angler presence. I have seen them really attacking the fly or just sipping slowly. It is all possible. One has to try all the tricks in the box. However, it is more about finding the fish, presenting right - and most - having fun trying all these different theories and wisdoms. And I agree with Christian (hope he is sitting and had a coffee already) - the small fly myth is bs.
once in austria .... the local hero there caught one after the other grayling with a huge hook dressed with nothing more than red and silver thread   Cheers, Thomas .... born with a stiff upper lip. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW-O_quy8_g
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Posts: 13 02/07/2010 06:44 |
oh sorry - what was this thread about again ?
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