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joaniebo	Old Pearsall Silks		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1277 01/05/2008 10:52	Tags : None Although I have all of the current Pearsall Gossamer colors (plus Naples for rod windings), I've gone through the patterns shown in several of the "olde" books and realized that I'm missing a few of the silks specified, namely: Yellow - #4 (I have the Primrose #3 & Lemon Yellow #5); Blue #7; and Ash #10. In Edmonds & Lee, a color chart also shows nos. 2, 11, 13, 14 which I do not see available in the current Pearsall Gossamer silks. Should anyone have a spare spool of these colros , that they'd be willing to part with, please send me an e-mail, ok? Thanks. Cheers and Safe Fishing Bob E-mail: Robert dot OL at sbcglobal dot net PS - If there are some spools of the discontinued colors available (for a color match) and there's enough interest in them, I'll check to see what quantity might be necessary "IF" a special run could be made of these colors.
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DrLogik		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1300 01/05/2008 11:23	I'm with you Bob. This will get that topic a bit more visibility. May want to post it on Ephemera also. I'd like to get Pearsall's 6b, #4, etc....like you. To get Pearsall's to make a run of those colors, which I am 100% positive they can do, we would have to convince them that they could sell an entire dye-lot of the silk thread. I'm not sure how much that would be but if they package-dye the thread we're talking a minimum of 50lb packages I would think. And, the dye machine holds more than one package...so...they would have to be able to sell a WHOLE lot of it. The demand may be there for the 6b and #4 though. It's worth talking to them. I'd be happy to help with that and talk textile talk with them. You know, IF they made some of thoes colors again, it just might jump-start another renaissance in wet fly tying. That would help them in the long-run to. I'd buy a box each of the 6b and #4 Grant DrLogik.com
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wsbailey	Pearsall's Silk	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 7 01/05/2008 12:09	Do to the fact that I have one of the old Pearsall's thread sample cards I was asked by Alec Jackson to choose the color on the current Pearsall's embroidery thread chart which most closely matched straw #2. My understanding is that some of the old dye formulas were lost in a fire. For my effort I got to keep the chart and received a box of a dozen of the new straw #2 threads. I see that Pearsall's now has a thread that looks in the picture like the old 6A. They call it Antique Gold. http://www.genuinebellinger.com/pearsallssilk.html Of the currently available silk threads I think that the Tire 50 weight is the closest to Pearsall's gossamer. It comes in 171 colors. They also make a quality buttonhole twist thread. http://silkthings.com/catalog.php?cat=001#sub007 Bill Last Edited By: wsbailey 01/05/2008 13:29. Edited 1 time.
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creakycane		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1357 01/05/2008 13:09	Agree with you guys, and it is indeed good to know there are folks as rapid as I am about such fine points. I would add that the colors Pearsall's has produced since the chart in E and L are very nice: I find myself reaching for the light olive 20 and claret 191 quite a bit and have the 191 on a bobbin and ready to go.. The yellow #4 has been the main one I have been looking for - for those flies where the lemon yellow won't do! I also like the hot Orange #19 and the antique gold #31 quite a bit.....
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wsbailey	Pearsall's Silks	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 8 01/05/2008 13:39	In the recipe for Edmonds and Lee's #20 Stone Midge; the authors suggest using either 9A well waxed or 10. This may also work to get 6B using antique gold well waxed for example. Bill
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ashbourn12		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17 01/05/2008 13:46	DrLogik wrote: To get Pearsall's to make a run of those colors, which I am 100% positive they can do, we would have to convince them that they could sell an entire dye-lot of the silk thread. Chances are there is something more to this. I have approached a number of companies about doing a limited run of a past color and offered to by the whole lot, almost every time it was a problem with getting that color dye. Dye makers do out of business, ingredients can't be had, or mixtures lost. I would be more than willing to commit to a sizable order if they have the ability to make any of the discontinued colors. I think I get more questions from customers if I have any laying around then I do of any other thread. Joe Fox www.dettetroutflies.com www.sparsegreymatter.com
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slw	Pearsall's	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 47 01/05/2008 14:06	Golden Witch has the largest selection of Pearsall's that I know of, including Straw and Classic Chestnut which approximates the older 6a and or 6b (depending on who you ask ) If anyone wants to commission a custom run I'd suggest working it through Russ at Golden Witch. He's done it before for half a dozen colors. Good guy to work with. http://www.2computerchicks.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GW&Category_Code=WHPTHRDS
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Ken M 44		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2039 01/05/2008 15:32 Immoderatus Britannicus	I have all of the colours mentioned but not enough of each of them to help you guys out, if GW will do that and want a small sample to use as a match I may be able to help with that. Most of my stuff comes from my family stuff (I am a 4th generation fly tyer) or from older collections of fly tying kit on ebay or at auction, I buy them for the silks (and a few other items usually if I am lucky) and have traded off the rest. "Whatever age you are, when your pants are wet and you are not sure why - it is time to go home." John Bishop
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DrLogik		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1301 01/05/2008 15:52	Joe, Virtually any color can be replicated with today's modern dye stuffs. Yes, dye makers come and go but the colors are generally picked up by others. With a good colorist, and even considering fires and lost formulas, the color can be replicated. That would most likely be the easy part to overocome in my opinion. The hard part, again, I think, is getting Pearsall's to re-run those few colors that we all strive to find. I liken it to Michelin "Redline" tires that came on Triumph TR-6's years ago. I was looking to replace the Redlines on my TR-6 and found out that Michelin no longer made the tires. That was in the mid/late 80's. Well, demand got so great that Michelin decided to make a short run of the tires. At $350.00 a piece, a PIECE!!!...in 1980's dollars! The demand was there but few wanted to spend that amount on the tires and many of them just sat on warehouse shelves. Many TR-6 owners resorted to painting the lines on their tires or going all black. Very few TR-6's have the original Redline tires these days. My point is even if we got Pearsall's to re-run the colors we are looking for, we may end up spending a lot of money for them. And if we don't buy them, well, that's the risk that Pearsall's is looking at. I'm still jazzed about it though. Bob, I think it's worth looking in to like you stated earlier. Grant DrLogik.com Last Edited By: DrLogik 01/05/2008 18:17. Edited 2 times.
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joaniebo		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1278 01/05/2008 16:49	Grant Odd that you have a TR6 .... I bought a new MGB in 1968 and still have it ..... plus also have a 1968 VW Beetle, bought in 1986 after a engine fire and 14 years later (and $13,000 in parts), it was done! Wonder how many others here have older (pre-1970) European cars? Best Bob
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Wally Murray		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 114 01/05/2008 23:44	I've been trying to figure out why I don't appear to be able to sell 1/3 of the Pearsall's Gossamer I list on eBay for $1.34 a spool. I finally figured out that it's because Corticelli, et. al., is the real bargain. It costs most buyers $3.00 per spool of Pearsall's when you factor in the shipping. At that rate, a 100 yd. spool of Corticelli should got for $20.00, $60.00 if you un-strand the three strands. I don't see that happening. And there are a lot more colo(u)rs available. I just two weeks ago paid way less that two bucks a spool for close to 250 mixed spools. Hmmmm. Sorry, folks. I must need new glasses. The Gossamer spools are 45 m., not 15 m. Hoverer, the math still works to the advantage of the Corticelli wooden spool thread most of the time. Wally. Last Edited By: Wally Murray 01/06/2008 12:26. Edited 1 time.
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moregrayling	pearsall's producing old colours	#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 705 01/06/2008 05:19	DrLogik wrote: Virtually any color can be replicated with today's modern dye stuffs. Yes, dye makers come and go but the colors are generally picked up by others. With agood colorist, and even considering fires and lost formulas, the color can be replicated. some years ago I inquiered about severall different colours, among them the old "hot orange". peasalls just refused. there wasn't even a discussion about minimum order quantities. I'd be delighted to hear better news after you talked to them "textile". good luck. DrLogik wrote: My point is even if we got Pearsall's to re-run the colors we are looking for, we may end up spending a lot of money for them. And if we don't buy them, well, that's the risk that Pearsall's is looking at. I'm still jazzed about it though. do you honestly think pearsall's will take any sort of risk on account of some flytyers? their risk assesmant is exactly the reason why they have refused to do anything of the sort in the past. again, I'd be delighted if you guys prove me wrong. and I'll be ordering as well, IF you can persuade them, and if the colours are of interest to me. just don't hold your breath... best, christian
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Wally Murray		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 115 01/06/2008 13:30	First, I'm back with yet another "mea culpa". I was just filling an order for Pearsall's, and discovered that some of the spools are labelled 45 and some 50 metres. I, too, was thinking along Christian's line. At a minimum, I wouldn't expect anything but a "money up front" deal. What they need is competition, but I'm not volunteering, mind you. W. BTW, I've got Hot Orange 'aplenty.
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ashbourn12		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 18 01/06/2008 14:16	Like I said before I have had a very very hard time getting products / colors remade. Everytime I tried, I offered to take on as many as they would need me to take to make it worth it for them, payment upfront, almost everyone was a very quick no. Many companies have custom dye orders where if you get X amount with a dye lot fee they will do what ever you want. I guess pearsalls does not do this and to a degree I can't blame them. Joe Fox www.dettetroutflies.com www.sparsegreymatter.com
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slw	Pearsall's	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 48 01/06/2008 16:54	Joe It's been several years since I last talked with Russ Gooding (Golden Witch). As I recall he was, at that time, a distributer for Pearsall's as well as a large buyer....primarily for rod winding silk. I believe it was that combination of buying power that made it possible for him to get special dye lots produced. What I don't know is Russ's current status with Pearsall's. My own thoughts are that the niche fly tying market by itself wouldn't warrent a special commision from Pearsall's, but a combination of tying and rod winding might. Some of the rod builders/restorers are as particular about color detail as we tiers are. Hence my recomendation that he'd be a good first stop in the quest for a special color run.
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DrLogik		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1302 01/06/2008 20:37	SLW, Darn good idea talking to Golden Witch folks! DrLogik.com
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joaniebo		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1280 01/06/2008 21:24	Grant I may be wrong but I don't believe that Golden Witch is the IMPORTER of the PEarsall silks in the USA. Best Bob
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joaniebo		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1285 01/07/2008 13:23	A few minutes ago, I talked to Alec Jackson and confirmed that he is the sole importer of Pearsall silks for the USA, Canada and Japan. We talked awhile about whether Pearsall would be interested in making a run of some old colors and Alec said he would be talking to them (again) about it in the very near future and see if there would be an interest, although past request haven't been met with much enthusiasm (my take on the subject!). The last time Alec had a color remade, his minimum order was 150 dozen (1,800) spools of Gossamer. It's my understanding that the "old dye formulas" are still available but some / many of the chemicals previously used are no longer allowed to be used .... and many of the modern alternates just don't make exact color matches. As an added note of interest (to me), it appears that Pearsall supplies the silk threads used in making the European silk fly lines! Cheers and Safe Fishing Bob
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mvbrooks		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1628 01/07/2008 18:25	Bob, all - It may be herasy, but YLI #100 comes in a much better selection of colors than Pearsall's and, because it lays flat, it is actually small on the hook. You can even split the threat for insertion dubbing #20 and small flymphs, something you cannot do with Pearsall's. I switched to YLI a few years ago and have never regretted it.
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creakycane		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1364 01/07/2008 19:12	Not a bad idea - to make a chart with the correspong YLI colors..... http://www.roserushbrooke.com/yli-silk-collections.html
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Fatmans1		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 15 01/11/2008 16:59	Playing on Ebay I looked up the Pearsall silk thread and a store on ebay called Cutbow Fly Company has a whole bunch of spools listed. I didn't check every one but most had them listed as 45m spools and some were listed as Classic colors. Not sure if it's what you guys are looking for but hope it helps you all out. Fatman As a note I just got an email back form Denny Conrad at Conranch Hackle and he also sells Pearsalls. In part this is what info he gave me. "I try and keep a limited stock of some colors of the Pearsall's silk on hand. I sell them for $3 each. Here is what I presently have: Grey, Olive green, Chestnut, Purple, Salmond, Antique Gold, White, Straw, Java Brown." I don't know how big the spools are you'd have to check with him http://www.conranch.com/ and on the page he has an email link. Last Edited By: Fatmans1 01/11/2008 17:22. Edited 1 time.
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