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Posts: 27 08/24/2008 04:39 |
The great unknown....next out of the dusty box, a 3" spool (3 1/2" overall) mint something....! The frame looks very 'Young', the spool less
so! Although it looks completely unfished, the tip of the pawl has broken off so the 'click' has gone walkabout. No markings or identifying marks at
all. Any guesses or informed opinions out there?
Thanks...Stuart
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Posts: 1686 08/24/2008 07:29 Admin |
I'll defer to Ron, but would give it an 85% chance of being Young.
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Posts: 142 08/24/2008 09:09 |
Is the foot screwed or riveted to the frame?
Regards, Doc |
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Posts: 32 08/24/2008 10:38 |
Doc, it's screwed. 2 no, in line.
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Posts: 143 08/24/2008 11:11 |
Cadnorods wrote:Stuart, then I'd say it's (almost) definitely Young's. The only things that make me doubtful are the filed off spindle mounting and the position of the check and spring. I shall await Ron's opinion. Regards, Doc |
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Posts: 34 08/24/2008 11:21 |
Doc,
The end of the spindle is flush with the spool when fitted, not filed off...the spool mounting screw is let into the end of the spindle, a la Condex. The spring and pawl mounts look exactly like all my Young's but the pawl is bigger than any I have, 4" Beaudex included! Stuart |
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Posts: 144 08/24/2008 14:03 |
Cadnorods wrote:Stuart, your first photos were not clear about the spindle mounting (on the back plate) - I now see from your foot photos that it is not flat, but slightly pointed. Is it a slotted screw rather than a cover? Regarding the spring and pawl, Young's normally mounted the spring at 1 o'clock (foot at 12) - this one is at 6 o'clock. I'm beginning to doubt if it was made in Redditch. Or even in England. Where's Ron when you need him. 
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Posts: 35 08/24/2008 16:41 |
The spindle mount on the back plate is a slotted screw - the twin of the one that holds the spool on. Both are slightly pointed (not roundly domed). I've
just dropped the spool from a 3 1/2" Condex on it and the spindle is slightly larger in diameter than that of the Condex - so it won't fit. But the
Condex frame and this frame look like twins (apart from the spring & pawl placing). So...still puzzled.
The paint job is excellent, but flat gloss rather than dimpled. Stuart |
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Posts: 6015 08/25/2008 09:21 Bulldog1935 |
I would say this has to be an early postwar Young-made reel.
The backplate spindle screw looks like it came right off a Beaudex or Pridex. |
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Posts: 145 08/25/2008 10:34 |
Cadnorods wrote:Stuart and Ron, Early post war Pridexes and Beaudexes had a domed screw in the spindle mount. 
Notice also the spring and pawl positions on the Pridex, and the twin lines detail around the edge of the backplate. Those early post war years were a time of austerity in the UK. Rationing went on til the early fifties. I cannot believe that Young's would produce anything non-standard during the period, unless they were using up surpluses from the war or before. (BTW, I've mentioned before that the paint on the green Condex was originally supplied by Dunlop during the war. Young's had been sub-contracted by them to manufacture the trigger mechanism for the Supermarine Spitfire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermarine_Spitfire - one of the key RAF 'planes of WW2, and our saviour during the Battle of Britain in 1940 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain. Young's role has recently been acknowledged, and there is now a green Condex in the Spitfire Museum.) Regards, Doc
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Posts: 6016 08/25/2008 13:02 Bulldog1935 |
Doc, they made Exchequers and Flyos from their prewar patterns
here is my Milbro Supreme, which is postwar Young standard grade complete with FRP drag gear     
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Posts: 36 08/25/2008 13:12 |
Doc, Ron,
The spindle screws are decidedly pointed! Not roundly 'domed'. No twin detail lines. The reel foot is more 'square' ended and narrow than the Pridex, Beaudex, or any of my other Youngs reel, but is the same shape and width as that on one of my Allcock's 'Flick-em' centrepins...but the two holding screws are bigger. Doc, are you going to either of the vintage tackle fairs at Redditch or Romsey? I'll probably go to one or the other....with the reel in my pocket... Stuart |
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Posts: 146 08/25/2008 14:13 |
Ron,
I agree - there was a shortage of materials, and pre-war components were incorporated into post-war reels. The same thing happened after WW1 causing confusion (today) between Young, Heaton and Smith & Wall products. We also know that the same castings were used by different finishers - witness the 3 1/8" Millward's Flycraft and the 3 1/8" Sharpe's Gordon. And this could be the clue - Milbro had no connection with Millward's but was owned by the Scottish Millard Brothers who were in the gun and fishing tackle wholesale trade, and their company still make air gun pellets in Scotland www.milbro.co.uk. Your Milbro Supreme and Stuart's reel (both with the check in the same position) could well have been finished in Aberdeen by Sharpe's from the same castings used by Young's. Stuart, I'll be at Redditch in November - you'll probably find me near Garry Mills' stand. Regards, Doc |
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Posts: 37 08/25/2008 14:25 |
Doc,
I'm hoping Garry can make me a pawl for this reel, if he hasn't already got one that size! Wish I had a better camera! (or more of a clue how to use this one...) Stuart |
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Posts: 38 08/27/2008 17:22 |
How does a Milwards Flymaster sound for this reel (without markings?)
Stuart |
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Posts: 147 08/28/2008 06:50 |
Stuart,
My late 1940s Flymaster is basically a Beaudex. Still a "domed" spindle screw. 
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Posts: 40 08/28/2008 07:58 |
Right...that's that idea gone! I've got one of the Allcock versions....again, basically a rebadged Beaudex.
I actually work in Glos...drive past the docks every day! We may get there by the process of elimination! Stuart |
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